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    Default Hi, Need help with my '03 Signum 2.0 dti please

    all, this is my first thread, but I have been on the site a few times and found it very usefull.

    Can anyone please help me with my 03 signum 2.0 dti???????????
    I took the car for a oil and filter change, and the young man who did it started by revving the arse off it untill I got some one to stop him. He did the oil and filter, and air filter, and when he did the fuel filter he could'nt get the car to start because they didnt have a primer??. ( I have since learnt from this site that he should have put clean diesil in the fuel filter) He turned the the car over and over and over, for what seemed like 20 mins. Eventually the car started, I left the garage and found I'd lost a lot of power, so took it back and he messed about a bit and after 3 or 4 more test drives and pouring a tin of something in the the fuel filter, it seemed ok, only for a couple of days though, and still no power. Is it something that he's done or a coincidence, please help! by the way I went back to the garage and he was sacked a few days after doing my car for something else.
    Thank Di

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    You need to go back to the garage pronto,it sounds like he needs slaping not sacking,the worst thing could be he has ruined the high pressure fuel pump,the fuel lubricates the pump and to crank the engine for that kind of time means the pump has run with no lubrication.I suggest you take someone with you,the garage will try to fob you off you are looking at well above a £1000 to repair if the pump is u/s.sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the garage sacking the so called mechanic is a sort of admission of there fault.time is important get straight back to them.are they by any chance a main dealer

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    There are dire warnings in the Haynes manual about getting a DTi to start after a fuel filter change. As stated above, you have to fill the filter housing with diesel then use either a manual/electric primer or alternatively turn the engine over in short bursts with long pauses (to cut a long story short) until it starts and runs.

    As already stated, your fuel pump may be knackered because the fuel is vital to lubricating it and it sounds like it may be been turning over for quite some time with no fuel in it - if the diesel filter housing wasn't filled up with fuel first.

    I agree that you should go straight back to the garage - the numpty who did you car needs sacking straight away and you need to ask them if they followed the manufacturer's priming procedure for this engine. If not, then they shouldn't have accepted the work and they now owe you free diagnostics (at a proper garage) - and maybe a £1000 fuel pump too.

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    Thanks for your replies. I have been back to the garage, and they had the car for the day, and could not find out what the problem was, and have said that they will send it to an independent diesel specialist to diagnose the cause. I am, of course concered about being fobbed off, so I am very gratefull for your information. Thanks Di

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    Will I damage the car more by using it?

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    Maybe or maybe not (difficult to say for sure), buts there's no point in having a car that you don't use. Also if any damage is currently very slight, it may not be detectable and will only become detectable later on when all this is forgotten and deniable by the garage.

    I don't think anyone can tell you for sure until the detailed inspection has been carried out. I would be asking them EXACTLY what they will be doing though. A performance test simply may not be enough to detect small amounts of internal wear or abrasion.

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    Another thing is that winding the starter over for long periods burns out the starter.

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    Does anyone know what my rights are in this case? Should I take it to a diesel specialist myself or what? Help!!!!!

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    Do you have any engine management lights coming on at all?
    I wouldn't have thought that either the revving or the prolonged starting attempts would necesarily have caused damage. The pump would still have been full of diesel even though it wasn't being pumped through, it won't have been "dry".
    Revving an engine is unlikely to cause a problem unless it is at maximum revs for a time. DTI engines seem to perform far better when they're revved hard, it shifts some of the carbon from such as the EGR valve.
    My 2.2DTI suffered the usual fuel airlock problem from parking on an upslope a while ago. The AA man insisted it'd be fine to keep trying on the starter, just giving it the occasional cooldown gap. It eventually fired up. On another occasion I had to drive it in reverse up a slope on just the starter in order to get it on flat ground, 50 yards plus. Car still starts and runs perfectly at 130k miles....

    Any more clues?

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    I have worked on diesel engines all my life scouser and the statements you make are are complete rubbish

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