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    Until 1995 Opel was the biggest European manufacturer. It started going downhill from that point on. I think the corrosion issues and Vectra B are to blame. What do you think?

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    Opel have not gone down hill, they are out selling in Europe Ford, Peugeot and Renault throughout 2009.
    Vectra B corrosion had nothing to do with anything really.

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    Personally, I don't agree. I believe that the Vectra B was a well liked car in non-UK markets. I think overall, it was liked in the UK too, but with a big grey cloud over it due to the consistenly biased and poor reviews of a certain person who hosts a BBC car show. I had a Vectra B and loved it dearly. My sister now owns it, it's 8 years old with about 100k, and has had no problems at all in its life - not a spot of rust on it either.

    Since the 80's, I don't think Opel / Vauxhall have had any specific corossion issues - no more than any other mainstream manufacturers at least.

    I wouldn't say Opel has gone down hill at all, and that the problems surrounding it are more of a GM problem, caused by the current financial climate. A lot of Vauxhall / Opel cars have been coming very high in the European car of the year awards over recent years. The Insignia was car of the year 2009, the Corsa was 2nd two years ago, the Zafira and Astra were both in the top 3 previously.

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    I think there are three distinct lines to consider..

    I have noticed in the past two or three years, people have been having a lot more recall issues or warranty faults especially since approx 1998 ish...

    If you look at the Vx forums, there have been quite a few recall issues with hand-brakes on the Vectra C, Radiator Faults on the Astra H, Major can-bus issues and faulty expensive components requiring longperiods of dealer staff time and often replacement of parts with new...
    These aspects are all very expensive to Vauxhall / Opel.

    The second line of thought is probably down to poor management in the Fat Cat U.S. of A.

    Finally consider the financial situation across the globe...a lot of manufacturers are expected to drop hundreds of pounds off their vehicles, and thus off their profit margins to stay competetive and in the uk as part of the government scrappage scheme. (The manufacturer gives so much and the government gives the rest)

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    Just for info, looking at the official VOSA recall charts, the Vectra-C has had 4 recalls. The Ford Mondeo (2001-2005 model) had 8 recalls. The VW Passat had 4 recalls also.

    It does seem normal these days for a lot manufacturers to rush the launch of their new model and then recall them after the public has tested them. It's a sad fact of the modern day motor industry. They have the technology, but not the passion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    Opel have not gone down hill, they are out selling in Europe Ford, Peugeot and Renault throughout 2009.
    Vectra B corrosion had nothing to do with anything really.
    Those are 2 separate problems.
    The corrosion problem hit the brand so hard during the 90s, people still say Opel rusts away while waiting to be bought at the dealers.

    The preface Vectra B is another unsuccessful story.

    There are the sales figures I am talking about:
    1996 :
    Opel 1.6M
    VW 1.6M

    2006:
    Opel 1.6M
    VW 3.4 M

    The last few years Opel has been desperately trying to regain its status though..

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    Here in Ireland the blame can be directly laid on the 1996 Vectra B. Before this Opel were a hugely popular brand here mainly due to their perceived reliability, German build quality and in no small part their sponsorship of the national soccer team. Then the 1996 Vectra B came along and the reliability reputation went out the window. Second hand prices and trade-in allowances from other brands went down the pan and people stopped buying them. But did Opel learn from this?....no along comes the Vectra C and its problems which Opel refused to rectify e.g I've had to have the suspension cup modificiation on all my Vectras ranging from 2003 to 2005. This attitude has killed the brand over here and even with the popularity of the Insignia and the Astra Sporthatch it will take a long time to recover

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    I don't think it's fair to blame Vectra B. It was a cracking car, just too similar the Cavalier. That's not a bad thing as the Cavalier was excellent. Maybe they just should have kept the Cavalier name and launch Vectra when Vectra C came out.

    There's a lot more behind GM / Opel's problems than anyone will ever know.

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    The Vectra B was a disaster over here with snapped timing belts and lots of electrical problems. My brother had a 1996 one and it was a bucket of crap. The brand went from hero to zero practically over night because of it. Compared to the Vectra A's of which my dad had 3 there was no comparison. We've had the Vectra name over here since 1989. Up until fairly recently you couldn't take a Vectra to another brand for trade-in they would laugh at you

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    I've had 4 Vectra B's, all were excellent. Now I have a Vectra C and am still a very happy Vauxhall customer.

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