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    hi guys, i got my tracking done (front) as they said you couldnt really adjust the back so the wheels are aligned to the back wheels (chassis) or something.

    but i needed a new track rod arm which was only like £30, but since lowering my steering wheel was turned abit to the left while going straight and since tracking its now turned to the right while going straight! its ennoying me! is their a way to sort this?
    if so how easy etc?
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    if you have lowered it then i would recomend a camber set up first by a specialist...
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    im led to bealive you cant adjust the camber on these (non adjustable)?
    but that wouldnt effect the possition of the steering

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    IIRC, the Vectra suspension design is the same across the model range, so yes, you can adjust the rear camber as I watched someone do it on my 02 GSi.

    Unless the rear wheels are set up correctly, you'll never get a proper alignment as the fronts, as you quite rightly say, use the rears as a datum point.

    More bedtime reading on the subject here http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/tec...lalignment.php

    EDIT - and as yours is lowered, http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/tec...rideheight.php

    HTH.
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    well when i got the wheel aligment done i looked at the computer screen and their didnt appear to be any settings for the back wheels..
    it did show the left front wheel has a 20* differance in camber than the right side.
    but the back wheels were not done.

    is it possible to take the sterring wheel off and sort it this way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twaiter View Post
    well when i got the wheel aligment done i looked at the computer screen and their didnt appear to be any settings for the back wheels..
    it did show the left front wheel has a 20* differance in camber than the right side.
    but the back wheels were not done.

    is it possible to take the sterring wheel off and sort it this way?
    The off centre steering wheel shows that the alignment they've done isn't right. http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/steeringgeometry.php. Taking the wheel off is a cop out and will simply just mask the problem and you'll end up with poor handling and premature worn tyres if you don't get the alignment and geometry sorted.

    As the garage doesn't know about the adjustable rear camber settings, then IMO, they don't know what they're doing.

    EDIT - according to VX, the rear camber angles for a Vectra with sports suspension (SRi, GSi etc.) depends on the ride height of the car (between 330 and 370mm). camber angles vary from 2 degrees 36" (330mm) to 1 degree 39" (370mm) so yes, it can be done to match your lowering.

    This might not the case here, but just because these places have Hunter or similar alignment gear, people seem to think this is the magic cure for alignment issues. The equipment's only as good as the muppets operating it.

    Either i) take it back and let them sort it (but I doubt they will), ii) get your money back cos they haven't done what they said they would or iii) take it somewhere else that knows about these things.
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    VX list nine different camber settings for the rear of a sports hatch (SRi, GSi etc.) and depends on the ride height of the car. The ride heights listed are between 330mm and 374mm.

    Camber angles for the rear wheels vary from 2 degrees 36 minutes (300mm) to 1 degree 39 minutes (374mm).

    The lower the car sits, the greater the camber angle and the greater the toe-in figures.

    Now I ain't no expert on this but I'd expect a "reputable" garage to know these figures, especially one doing wheel alignment. Need to make sure they've got the latest software with all the vehicles settings.

    According to VX, the camber settings for both front wheels is 1 degree 5 minutes for the sports suspension with a caster angle of 3 degres 8 minutes.

    HTH

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    Very interesting info here lads im deffo gonna contact the garage about this. Im not happy! Thanks very much

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    hi guys, just foned the garage!
    the guy that done it said the laser machine thing inly had the front wheel settings on it for the vectra but mark (the owener the one i deal with) picked him up wrong and gave me the wrong info lol.

    so what he has asked me for are the settings for the back? like the Pole or something? basically as much info as possible if any of you chaps know it???
    Many thanks lads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twaiter View Post
    hi guys, just foned the garage!
    the guy that done it said the laser machine thing inly had the front wheel settings on it for the vectra but mark (the owener the one i deal with) picked him up wrong and gave me the wrong info lol.

    so what he has asked me for are the settings for the back? like the Pole or something? basically as much info as possible if any of you chaps know it???
    Many thanks lads.
    Wheels in Motion, whose links I've posted before, spent £20k on software alone , just so they can have all the latest geometry settings for ALL cars.

    Your garage needs to ascertain your ride height as it's been lowered and than obtain the geometry info, ie. rear camber angles, toe-in, castor, etc.. from VX or another reputable source.

    If we on here give you what we "think" the settings should be and it all goes pear shaped some months down the line, you won't be happy.

    Sounds like your guy hasn't got the latest data and can't be arsed to get it. It's not your job to get it - he's the "expert", not you.

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