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    Hi all, recently bought a Vectra C (2006) cdti 120 bhp (the 19dt engine I think, the V5 says its 154gms but the fuel cap is on the left - two conflicting pieces of advice I got from this or another site...). I have been looking into getting it remapped but the more I read the more confused I get!

    I want to stay away from chip boxes/diesel boxes/etc. as I'm not to keen on their lack of proper intelligence. I've got a quote from celtic tuning who say they can take it to 180bhp for £313, another from e-maps 150bhp for £330 but have also been looking at BSR's ppc and EDS' ipf boxes. I like the fact that the map can be removed, the extra safety they both implement (like not releasing full power when cold etc.), the fault finding on the ipf and the launch control(?) on the bsr unit.

    On the regal site they say they can take the 120 and 150 versions to ~194bhp as long as they are 16v engines. How to I check if I have a 16v and what gain would I see if I am unlucky enough to just have the 8v?

    I'm aware that almost every other thread like this has ended up in a handbag fight but as I can't find one later than 2008 I thought I'd ask again to see what the latest opinions are. Which option do you think I should go for? Can the Celtic stats really be possible? How members experiences with the ppc and ipf units compare?

    Also where is the best place to find whichever option you recommend? The IPF is £550 or so on regal-sport but I've seen it for EURO495 on a german site obv. delivery cost would factor in but would still be cheaper.

    p.s. I appologise for this but my gf insists I put the flying pig in the message... ....

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    Cant really help with this but I always thought that was a pink horse lol

    Im sure someone will be along with lots of info soon !!

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    Ahh you're in Cambridge, not far from me. There is another place actually in Cambridge (torquing bhp) and they are an approved trader on here and i've got a quote from them of about £300. There are quite a few guys on here that have the BSR's and they seem pretty happy but I think I'm going to go with torquing bhp when I get it done

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    OK, here are the facts that will help you.

    The 120 8v and 150 16v both had emisions of 154g/km, unless they were fitted with 19" alloys at the factory, in this case the emisions went up to 157g/km.

    All Vectra C's had the 8v engine for the 120PS 1.9 Diesel, only the early Astra's had the 16v 120.

    The 8v 120PS engine had the oil filler cap at the front of the engine towards the left. The 150PS 16v oil filler cap is on the right in the centre (Looking into the engine bay). So you are right that you have the 120 and it is the 8v engine.

    Celtic are dreaming if they think the 8v 120 can be tuned to 180bhp. There is not a re-map available for the 120PS 8v engine that goes much above 150bhp.

    I think that BSR is the best route to go down as you have the switchbility and they have proven to be a very good map.

    Superchips also offer a very good re-map for the 120PS engine, up from 117bhp (120PS) to 149 BHP (152PS) and torque from 206lb/ft to 257lb/ft.

    Either of the two above will be a good investment and you won't be disapointed.

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    CELTIC TUNING ARE C*** THEY LIE ABOUT THERE FIGURES AND THERE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS S**TE, THERE IS A POST ON HERE SOMEWHERE IF YOU DO A SEARCH.

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    i had a rolling road figure of 167.5 bhp and 242ft lb with a caterman box - air box mod and twin exit exhaust out of my 120 cdti 8 valve, a remap from anywhere will give you max about 160 bhp no matter what they claim......

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    BSR. PLug and play. Set it and forget it, just enjoy. You get what you pay for. If it sounds too good to be true for the money, it probably is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ditchp View Post
    i had a rolling road figure of 167.5 bhp and 242ft lb with a caterman box - air box mod and twin exit exhaust out of my 120 cdti 8 valve, a remap from anywhere will give you max about 160 bhp no matter what they claim......

    HTH
    I know the box's give the 120 and 150 very high figures on the rolling road, a friend of mine has a box on his 120 Vectra SRi and it produced 169bhp on the rolling road, but on the open road it's about the same as his brothers Design "Estate" 120 which has a superchips re-map which produced 151BHP on the same rolling road day and the estate is heavier.

    The CDTi engine are held back on rolling roads compared to box'ed cars.

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    Evolution Chips is another one that I have heard nothing but good things about, they offer a remap for £350 which puts the 150 to 185bhp and the 120 to about 150bhp IIRC.

    There should be a dealer near you.

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    Thanks for all the advice guys, especially Maverick and his engine info. Think I will save up for the BSR PPC then as think the switchability sounds good. Last question though, I've heard that the EDS IPF allows you to try different maps on your car. Does the PPC have a similar function? Also is there anywhere cheaper you can get it or is BRSUK the only option?

    Thanks again,

    Max

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