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    Question Tyre Replacement Advice

    I need to replace all four tyres on my facelift CDTi (150) estate.

    The tyres that are on it currently are Goodyear Eagle NCT5 215/50R17 W but I've read here on the forum that a possible replacement is a 225/45R17 and that VX actually recommend them as an alternative. Can that be right? Can you fit a different tyre to the same rim

    Kwik Fit have an offer on for the Firestone TZ200 at £92 each (for four) if you order online but I can get a Goodyear Eagle F1 225/45R17 for £90 from Camskill - how do I get it fitted though?

    I don't know anything about tyres so any other recommendations are welcome

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    i just bought 2 bridgstone forzena tyres that are very good, i have used bridgstone for years great grip in both wet and dry and last for ever as a very hard compound and mine were 105 each for 225 45 17,

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidjameswest View Post
    i just bought 2 bridgstone turanza tyres
    Fixed it for ya.

    phykell, yes, you can fit 225-45 to your rims. Those rims will take anything from 205 to 245 no problems.

    The Firestones are too dear, far too dear. I paid £80+VAT for 225-45-17 Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric last week at my local independent tyre fitter. Ask in your region forum about who they use for tyres, most cities have at least two very good independents that will beat any online price no problems.

    I also have a pair of Bridgestone Turanza ER300 on the front, they're harder than the Goodyears, so I run those on the front for wear purposes. I'm expecting to get 30k at least on the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phykell View Post
    The tyres that are on it currently are Goodyear Eagle NCT5 215/50R17 W but I've read here on the forum that a possible replacement is a 225/45R17 and that VX actually recommend them as an alternative. Can that be right? Can you fit a different tyre to the same rim?
    Yes, you can fit different tyre sizes to the same wheel, but there are some guidelines you need to follow
    Without going into it all, you can fit either (as a minimum) :
    215/50R17 91
    225/45R17 91

    You can then either purchase online as either :
    fully fitted
    or
    tyre only
    If you buy the tyre only then it is best to arrange with a local tyre fitter to have them delivered there, unless you can GUARANTEE that someone will be at your home address all day
    I found that my local tyre dealers weren't too keen on this
    Instead they preferred to quote and match for fully fitted

    So let's say Camskill is £90 per tyre
    The tyre fitting is £10 per tyre
    My local tyre fitter would then quote £100 per tyre, fully fitted, which is vastly cheaper than anything you can find online fully fitted

    Equally, they may quote £110 per tyre, fully fitted, and I would still rather pay that as it avoids all the hassle of arranging the delivery, phone calls, and so on

    An alternative is to get them to undercut blackcircles, etyres, or other such website, which most of them can do quite easily (as these websites are effectively intermediaries and take their own cut of the sale price)

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    Thanks for all the advice

    I'm going to have a word with my local fitter. I haven't actually used Kwik Fit for years, preferring my local fitter, but then I've only had to put tyres on an Escort and Fiesta before now so it wasn't worth worrying about just a few quid; and they're good plus it's nice to use your local businesses anyway, etc. The Vectra is different though - four tyres amounts to a lot of money - first quote for Goodyear NCT 5 was around £700 - so definitely worth shopping around!

    One thing that's a bit odd - the 225/45R17 seem cheaper generally than the 215/50R17
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    Quote Originally Posted by phykell View Post
    One thing that's a bit odd - the 225/45R17 seem cheaper generally than the 215/50R17
    It's not odd at all. There's lot more cars use the 225-45 compared to the 215-50. 215-50 is standard on the 407, Vectra and Mazda 6, the 225-45 is standard on Mondeos, Golfs, Astras, etc. More cars use them so they're cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _ZS_ View Post
    It's not odd at all. There's lot more cars use the 225-45 compared to the 215-50. 215-50 is standard on the 407, Vectra and Mazda 6, the 225-45 is standard on Mondeos, Golfs, Astras, etc. More cars use them so they're cheaper.
    Nevertheless, I imagine it's a more expensive tyre to make though I accept there's less rubber

    I just thought a 50 profile would be a lot more common than a 45 TBH but yes, what you say makes sense. If so many spec them as standard, it's understandable why they're generally cheaper - perhaps it's odd that VX should spec the 50 profile in the first place then

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    This will make you laugh - here I am obsessing about Vectra tyres, I'm in the wife's Escort and I get a puncture! Luckily it's on the worst tyre on the car so I drive in to Kwik-Fit (nearest tyre place) and I get charged £146 for two 185/60R14 H (the opposite tyre was on its last legs too) though that also included £26 for tracking. Prices for Goodyear F1 all round on the Vectra is round about £400 Maybe the Vectra isn't that expensive on tyres after all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phykell View Post
    Nevertheless, I imagine it's a more expensive tyre to make though I accept there's less rubber

    Perhaps it's odd that VX should spec the 50 profile in the first place then
    Not sure how you calculated that the 50 profile would have less rubber than the 45 profile, I've made a rough calculation and they are almost the same, even the road contact surface area is almost the same!
    The main difference is the shape of that road contact surface area

    The main reason for choosing the 50 profile is the NCT 5 tyre design and technology
    This design is common on the 205/55R16

    VX chose the 215/50R17 over the 225/45R17 as the 50 profile looks better on the Vectra, that's one of the reasons

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    Quote Originally Posted by m8internet View Post
    Not sure how you calculated that the 50 profile would have less rubber than the 45 profile, I've made a rough calculation and they are almost the same, even the road contact surface area is almost the same!
    The main difference is the shape of that road contact surface area

    The main reason for choosing the 50 profile is the NCT 5 tyre design and technology
    This design is common on the 205/55R16

    VX chose the 215/50R17 over the 225/45R17 as the 50 profile looks better on the Vectra, that's one of the reasons
    I thought the profile was related to ratio between tyre width and diameter. Surely a lower profile tyre will have a "shorter" height which means less rubber required; but conversely, the wall will require greater strength which implies more expense.

    Interesting that you say Vauxhall thought the 50 profile tyre would be more "aesthetically pleasing". I reckon that perhaps it's also because the 50 profile's ride wouldn't be as harsh. I don't know if there's any issue with road noise but that's one thing I have noticed about the Nankang fronts and Goodyear NCT5 rears that are on it at the moment - the road noise is really noticeable.

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