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    hi. my car over the past month has sometimes been slow to turn over. yesterday it wouldnt start just a clicking noise. i think its my starter motor can someone please confirm.

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    Are you sure your bat was not dieing and is now dead?

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    started fine this morning. plenty of juice

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    Same noise & mine required a new battery. ..

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    it was my battery after all. it put up one hell of a fight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by idobigmls View Post
    it was my battery after all. it put up one hell of a fight!
    Glad you're sorted less cost ................

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    I had this problem back in October. Vx replaced my battery after a diagnostic test and all was fine, until this Saturday when it would not start again - just the same clicking noise from the starter motor! They did check the starter (apparently) and it was fine. I can't think of anything else it might be?

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    The easy way to decide whether it is battery of starter motor related is to jump start the car using leads.

    If the motor spins well, then it isn't the problem and looks more like battery / charging system is at fault.

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    @theonemranderson:
    it could be the alternator/diodes gone bad and not charging the battery anymore.
    You could try this: Start the car with no consumers turned on (headlights, AC, back window demister, sorry I probabily misspelled that one ) and measure the voltage on the battery terminals. It should be around 14V (between 13.8 and 14.4V). Now turn the headlights on and measure again it should decrease slightly by about 0.1V. start the AC and other electric consumers and if the alternator is OK the voltage at the battery should not drop below 13.8V

    HTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by andreitone View Post
    @theonemranderson:
    it could be the alternator/diodes gone bad and not charging the battery anymore.
    You could try this: Start the car with no consumers turned on (headlights, AC, back window demister, sorry I probabily misspelled that one ) and measure the voltage on the battery terminals. It should be around 14V (between 13.8 and 14.4V). Now turn the headlights on and measure again it should decrease slightly by about 0.1V. start the AC and other electric consumers and if the alternator is OK the voltage at the battery should not drop below 13.8V

    HTH
    I've been experiencing symptoms similar over the past few months have gone into some detail with the symptoms I'm having as this is petrol engined Vectra and posts I've seen on here have been mainly with diesels....

    Our car is a 55 reg Facelift Club...Engine is the Z18XE pre VVT & is coming up to 4 years old end of this month..

    According to the Publicity Brochure, the Alternator is rated @ 120amp & it has a 55 amperehour rated Maintenance Free GM battery. It was fitted from new...

    First time was around April '09 when I fitted a 6 x parking sensor kit about..4 x rears + 2 x fronts...no short circuits as far as I know..

    All doors were open, boot hatch, glove box & bonnet for several hours while routing the front & rear sensor cables, electrics etc and hiding them behind trim panels...car would not start....put it down to draining the battery as interior lights, boot & glove box light were on most of the day.... Jump started it with a spare off my old PA Cresta & it started immidiately...took it for a 10 mile run including a 5mile run a 75mph along a local dual carriageway... problem solved apparently..ie up until a few months later....

    2nd time...Parked locally out side a friend's house one night for 2-3 hours..left parking lights on..2 x offside....came out at 23.00...would not start..lights bright...just a tapping noise when I turned the key...looks like battery was drained again......only 42watts of load at most being drained......left it overnight with lights off....it started next morning without the need to jump start it.......took it another similar run.....problem apparently sorted again....until a couple of weeks ago...

    Third time it was a few days ago...parked up for a couple of days on the drive without it running....went to start it..tap..tap..tapping again..

    Noticed battery condition indicator 'bead/bubble' was bright green. Battery voltage with ignition off 12.1volts....PA Cresta's battery open circuit volts 12.67...jump started immediately..(PA battery connected and removed in line with the Haynes Manual Guidelines).
    My Multimeter test showed 14.15 volts across battery terminals at about 2500 revs with all lights on, Dip & main beam, rear screen heater blower on maximum, radio on....etc... 14.3 volts with 'em all switched off & idling so alternator appeared to be charging OK. I decided to carry the PA's battery Jump Leads in the boot just in case...

    I would expect the GM battery to last more than 4 years...

    My nephew has a 54 reg 1800 Zafira...same engine & battery as our Vectra... It's not used much...a holiday a couple or so times a year. not many long journeys, relatively sort local trips and he's not had any trouble yet..and the similar GM battery on our previous Cavalier lasted at least 7 years or more before it gave up the ghost....

    Problem happened again today so after jump starting it again, I took it down to the motor factors where I work part time...they have a more sophisticated Battery & Alternator test meter... They hooked it up and came to the conclusion that as far as they could tell battery was fine and so was the alternator....

    (I Checked my multimeter against the voltage readings from the test meter...they were identical....0h S**t...were do I go from here ???)

    The battery terminal posts look clean & tight.. have done since I we bought it...however there appears to be a slight trace of a deposit on outside of the negative post terminal clamps...which I will checkout further but can't see it being significant at this stage...Disconnecting the battery can cause the electronic memory to be wiped out and it needs to be 'learned again' doesn't it??? OOOOEEEER!!!!

    Checked the voltage across the battery terminals after being out today and parking up tonight....12.57volts....so plan to check it tomorrow morning to see if it's decreased much...in case 'something' is slowly discharging it....what that might be if that is what's happening I've not a clue...

    I've not tried charging this maintenance free battery with my 8 amp charger..not recommended by all accounts.. a special charger needed I understand...

    Then it may the time for the services of a specialist auto electrician as my wife is bending my ear in case she can't start it when she goes out in it.....I told her not to worry there's a spare battery & a set of jump leads in the boot...you can guess what her response was.....

    If it turns out eventually to be the battery, would an equivalent increased capacity 70amperehour battery be OK or would there be issues with fitting such a battery.....

    If any auto electrical techies are out there & would like to make a comment of their thoughts.... I'd be most grateful to read 'em..Thanks

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