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    i was looking at the sizes of the vectra compared to its grand parents (ascona) to its replacement the insignia,then compare an insignia to the next car up before it was discontiued the omega

    1971 ascona
    -length164 inches
    -width 65 inches
    -wheelbase 96 inches
    -1.6 litre 80bhp
    -weight 945 kg
    1976 cavalier
    -length 175inches
    -width 65inches
    -wheelbase 99 inches
    -1.6 litre 75bhp
    -weight 955kg
    1983 cavalier
    -length 171.8 inches
    -width 65.8 inches
    -wheelbase 101.3 inches
    -1.6 litre 90bhp
    -weight 991kg
    1993 cavalier
    -length 174.5 inches
    -width 67.2 inches
    -wheelbase 102.4 inches
    -1.6 litre 82bhp
    -weight 1098kg
    1996 vectra
    -length 176.3inches
    -width 67.2inches
    -wheelbase 103.8 inches
    -1.6 litre 100bhp
    -weight 1217kg
    2004 vectra
    -length 180.9 inches
    -width 70.8 inches
    -wheelbase 106.3 inches
    -1.8 litre engine 125bhp
    -weight 1342kg
    2009 insignia
    -length 190.1inches
    -width 73.0 inches
    -wheelbase 107.7 inches
    -1.8 litre engine 140bhp
    -weight 1428kg
    1998 omega
    -length 188.5 inches
    -width 70.33 inches
    -wheelbase 107.5 inches
    -2.0 litre engine 136bhp
    -weight 1484kg

    as you can see the insignia is bigger than an omega and that car is supposed to be a class above,what is puzzling though is why the legroom in any of the cavalier/vectra models very similar,yet the omega which is smaller than the insignia has more legroom?

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    Not puzzling at all mate if you think about it. Cars nowadays have much stronger bodyshells and crash structures, which take up more space. They also have to fit into the car safety equipment (e.g. airbags), bigger/more comfortable seats, the centre tunnel in the floor, that was supposed to be eradicated when fwd became popular, now houses an ever growing number of cats. The shape of the front structure of the car is heavilly dictated by safety requirements, even more so in the past two years as the bonnet has to be high enough away from the top of the engine that a pedestrian landing on it won't hit push the bonnet onto the engine (or the bonnet has to flip-up a few inches if an impact is detected).

    The thing to remember about cars getting bigger is that as they move up in size, the manufacturers just slot in a new model at the bottom of the range. For example, the Mondeo, Focus and Fiesta are all much bigger than their predecessors, but Ford simply slotted the Ka in at the bottom of the range and its about the same size as the Fiesta was in 1970's. Likewise with Peugeot - the 208 is much bigger than the 205 was, but they've slotted the 107 in at the bottom of the range.

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    My corsa is the same size as an old Astra "F"
    Big fatty that he is, munch munch

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    Also the extra weight!

    The old Carlton GSi300 24v was about 1350kg with 204ps whereas the Omega MV6 ended up being a portly 1700kg with only 217ps. On a power to weight ratio no wonder things have ended up at the Vectra VXR with nudging 300ps, still to only get about 6 sec to 60, as the GSi 24v did (Autocar test 6.3 seconds!!).

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    Yep. Astra now the size of an old Vectra/Cavalier, Corsa the size of an old Astra. The inclusion of safety features such as crumple zones, airbags, side impact beams etc. comes at a cost in terms of both length and width.

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    Heres a few pics from a little while ago....shows the change from Cav mk3 to Vectra B and then to Vectra C.




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    i know that the size of the cars have grown but the legroom should be a lot greater,this has been a vauxhall problem for a long time ,if you compare the cortina/cavalier,sierra/cavalier,mondeo/cavalier,mondeo/vectra and the mondeo/insignia you will find the fords have better seat spacing for passengers,even if you compare the escort/astra mk2 the ford was better despite the astra having a 3" longer wheel base,as the cars hve grown the overhangs have got less,as the car is longer with a longer wheelbase the interior space should have grown,even the omega has more interior space than a vectra c,and the omega has longer overhangs,is rear wheel drive and is designed to take an inline engine so where is all this lost space (rear knee space)?

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    ... but old fords you used to sit in the back with your knees around your ears! The seat base was literally on the floor!

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    Here's a pic of my Vec against my mates Senny, pure luxury of motoring in the day!!





    Then there's my wee Astra against "turn of the century coupe"



    I think the new Corsa is Bigger than my Astra now!!

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    mmmmmmmmmmmm. i loved my cav 4x4 turbo

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