above explained........ i got rid of my last rear badge last week and came across a slight problem,when all the sticky stuff was removed from under the griffin, i was left with a shadow on,in the paint of the griffin no matter how huch T-cut i used it wouldnt budge http://www.vectra-c.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68157 after some helpful advice from the lads on here LUMP sent me some G3 compound thought the post and it arrived 2days ago,now this substance can only be refered to as brilliant its a kind of proper MANS T-cut and it worked a treat!!!
so a big thanks to all involved with this thread
(sorry about crappy piccy)