Thanks.
Thanks.
Great work
Really good link that. Just need some average MPGs from other cars to compare with now. I average 23-26 mixed in my GSi for example.
I did one on Parkers yesterday, based on the comparison of a Vauxhall Vectra 1.9 CDTi 16v SRi 150 and the equivalent Vauxhall Vectra 2.2 Direct SRi, it would take me 2,765 miles or 84days to break even , so there isnt much in it really
I worked this out the long hand way a few months back as was thinking of changing to diesel. and comparing my avge MPG (2004 1.8 SRI) to my brother in laws (1.9 CDTi 150 Elite) and colleagues 2004 cdti150 sri, gave about 1.5p mile cheaper in fuel on the diesel but after factoring the running costs in ( cheaper car tax, purchase prices etc ) based on 20k a year would take me about 4 years before i was saving money so not really worth it.
But the 1.8 is so much slower than the 1.9CDTI, which is why I got the diesel. A balance of power VS economy is why people get diesel these days. I drove from England to Italy in under 24 hours on about 50ltrs of fuel. Then I went to Germany and did 140mph every where and did only 450 miles on a tank of fuel. If I averaged over 50mpg from England to Italy and back to Germany before I hit the Autobahns. Dropped to about 47mpg by the time I had returned to England some 2800 miles after setting off (according to miles vs fuel put in, not the computer). You have to look at so many things when buy, nothing is as simple as miles per year * difference in fuel prices.
What power do you want
What sort of driving will you do
how much fuel will it use VS cost petrol/diesel
cost of servicing (I pay about 12 quid a month for the service and all parts at the end of the year)
break down cover
road tax
insurance!!!
There isn't a petrol VX that will give me more for less than my diesel does every day and it feels completely different to drive from a non turbo petrol too.
It's not about which is cheaper, it's as much about which you prefer now adays.
I'm with Nutrpn - you have to know WHY you want the diesel, not jsut look at the figures and costs involved. I've had a 2.2 Direct Signum, and I found the engine horrendous. It had no torque at all, and you had to rev the nuts off it to get any sort of power for overtaking...
The 1.9 CDTi 150 has the same power (give or take) but masses more torque, and that IMO makes it a much nicer drive. I'd have paid an extra grand for the 1.9 over the 2.2 when I bought the Signum, as it was 6 months old, and I'd have had to do 50K miles to make up that difference in just the fuel, but having had a 1.9 vectra for 2 years now I wouldn't go back to an N/A petrol motor. A turbo one, possibly, but for me the combination of torque and economy wins it.
If you've never driven a powerful diesel car, it's worth it to feel the torque you can get in the midrange from about 2500 - 3000 rpm. For overtaking it's unrivalled in a non-turbo petrol...
My next engine - the V6 CDTi...
I hear you Nutron, I have a 2.0 dti 98 and my sis bought the same vectra b but with a 1.8 petrol 125, although hers on paper was faster to 60, if we were both at speed she couldn't keep up with me if i floored it. i also average 40 mpg that's with a heavy foot, but to match that she had to drive at 60 everywhere.
Thats a neat little tool, thanks !
I'm a massive petrol head!!! Not only do you pay more for fuel, but a Diesel car also costs more to buy from new.. It costs more to repair, and sometimes can need more severe repairs more often because of the working parts being so precise.
Plus if you rag the balls of a diesel then your going to be a lot less economical anyway. Oh and the gases that are produced by diesel engines, although less deadly to the human body, have a higher CO2 content so therefore are worse off for the 'so called' carbon dioxide emmision cut backs.
Lets all go hydrogen fuel cell powered... lol but expect more floods with all that water coming out of the exhaust pipes.... lol!
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