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    Red face Very lucky 'escape' this evening from getting three more points!!

    In what was a carbon copy of an incident in late 2007, I was an extremely fortunate chappy this evening in not getting myself three more points!!

    I'd done my drop links today as I'd been getting the odd bit of knocking, so after I'd done them I went out a bit later for a drive to see if any knocking had gone.

    Toottled around the roads near me looking for any bumps etc. to go over and so far so good, no knocking. On the bypass just near me - yep, the same bypass that I got my points for in the other thread - I remembered that there were a couple of uneven bits across the whole road, like a double bump, and it would often knock over those under acceleration. So off I went to try it. Came off the roundabout onto the bypass, still 40mph limit, limit changed after around 200 yards from 40 to 70 so I started to accelerate briskly, but by no means foot flat on the floor as I wanted to be accelerating over the bumps (only a few hundred yards past the limit change). Went over the bumps, no knock (great i thought), looked down at speedo and thought Oops as it'd gone past 80 and was nudging 85 on the speedo. So eased off and slowed down to just over 70. The next roundabout where I'd then turn around and head back is only about 1.5 miles from where I'd joined so I wasn't far away from that and I noticed a car behind me - just at that distance behind you that made me begin to wonder. I just got 'that' feeling. Couldn't see anything other than headlights as that stretch has no lighting - pitch black. As I got to the roundabout and went right to come back I glanced in the mirror only to see that it was a fully liveried Police BMW! Oh crap I thought! It then followed me as I did my u-turn and headed back. Double crap I thought - I'm going to get pulled as soon as I turn off the roundabout at the end to head home.

    I stuck to 70mph on the way back and at one point it came almost alongside me, but just a bit back. I didn't look over as I'd have never seen if they were gesturing or anything and I didn't want to take my eyes off the road ahead with it being pitch black.

    Got to the roundabout, turned left and it was still behind me. Turned into the estate road and it followed - by now I knew I was going to get pulled. Turned right into my street and as I started to the lights came on. As I was literally 20 yards from my drive I pulled onto it as it seemed a safer/more sensible place to stop.

    Got out and they were out of their car. First thing he said to me was that when he put the lights on, he wanted me to stop immediately - even though he appreciated that I was so close to home. Great I thought! Not off to a good start! I apologised and said I'd (obviously wrongly) thought it was as good to pull up out of the way.

    So, then came the reason for them stopping me - my excessive speed on the bypass. Crap I thought - here come three more points to give me six. As he was stood there he said 'We've got a powerful car, you've got a powerful car' (pointing at my 2.0T badge on the back - if only he knew! lol) and that in his car (which I reckoned was probably a 3.0 petrol as it was a 5 series) he'd had to put his foot to the floor to catch up with me and he was doing 90+! I know for a fact I wasn't doing 90+ and I could only assume he had been a distance behind me, or even stationery somewhere, and so had to give it stick to make up the 'head start' I'd have had. Either way, I wasn't about to argue the point!

    At that point I was wondering why I simply hadn't been asked to go to their car to look at the ProVida screen to see my fate as that's what had happened on the other incident - then the reason came.

    He said that the only reason that we weren't having a further discussion was that with it being so pitch black on that stretch of bypass, he couldn't see any road markers/clear landmarks etc. to get him his target points for the distance measurement for the kit!! I couldn't believe my ears!!! If that wasn't the case, his reasoning (I'm sure MLC will be able to clarify), then the only other thing I can think is that he saw initially that I was going quickly but because I then slowed down, the average was not of a speed that I'd be prosecuted for and he maybe still wanted to stop me and put the willies up me for the initial burst of speed. Well either way it worked!

    He asked me if I had any points - I replied. So after a few stern words from him, some nodding and apologising from me and him asking me if it was a lesson learnt (Oh yes, it was) off they went leaving me stood on my drive thinking what a very, very lucky boy I'd been!!

    I couldn't believe that I'd just had a carbon copy of the first incident and, again, it was only for those first few hundred yards that I'd been over the limit which was when I was being followed!! Like the first incident, I have no idea where he came from. With the layout of the roads there, there's no lay-by that cars can sit in and nowhere that I can think of before the roundabout that they would sit and wait - and even if there was there's no indication that a car is going to be speeding until it's well onto the bypass. Maybe I've just been extremely unlucky and had a car behind me by pure coincidence on both occasions!

    Anyway, there certainly isn't going to be a third time - lesson certainly learnt! If I need to go out to check/test something on the car on that bypass, it'll be at the correct speed all the way - not even an initial burst for the first few hundred yards. This evening was definitely a close shave and a warning!

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    You lucky lucky boy D
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    Lucky sod! Had similar happen to me when I "road tested" my ST24 after fitting my SVT Manifolds and TB, just got a bit of a bollocking, public highway is not a playground etc etc. They do appear from nowhere though!

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    First the Mrs scares you then you do it to yourself, steady on you two. Pleased for you it was just the telling off.

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    very very lucky m8

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    that is one lucky escape

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    The good luck fairy waved her magic wand over you there...... plus a good attitude to them.

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    Hey Duncan,

    Surely the Traffic Officer has self incriminated himself from your explanation?? Quote "he'd had to put his foot to the floor to catch up with me and he was doing 90+! "

    Maybe MLC can clarify this? Even Police (Traffic or Beat Officers) and whether or not in a Police chase etc are fully bound by the Road Traffic Act themselves (although you would never believe it). This means they are not entitled to speed, go through red lights, disobey road signs or any other traffic law for that matter. On the occasions when they do break the traffic laws they are supposed to have their Blue's and Two's on to warn other road users and pedestrians etc... Giving as much advanced warning as possible to be as visible as possible. If an accident were to happen then the Police are fully answerable for their actions. As in your case they never put the blues on you until well after the fact and have fully confessed of speeding without Blue's on then they are as guilty as you?? Would certainly like to see them give themselves a ticket for not complying to the Road Traffic Act??

    I've undertaken a Blue Light Course that was endorsed by Hampshire Police at the time and it was fully drummed into us by the Police Traffic Instructor that because you have Blue Lights on your vehicle it doesn’t mean you have a right to use them nor are you above the Law and that you are fully answerable to the Road Traffic Act.

    Just got my first 3 points £60 (FPN) South Bound Carriageway A1 (Somewhere just past Peterborough). The only day in the whole year I had something booked (Phantom Of The Opera) in London Her Majesty's Theatre. I was returning to Kent (Missus Mum and Dads, Xmas etc..) on my return journey from attending a Funeral at Newcastle Cathedral for a fallen soldier and very good friend killed in Afghanistan were interested SODS LAW the funeral was on the same day as The Phantom. Just got my Licence back yesterday with 3 points on but due to a set of circumstances (not going to say right now) am going to try and get both money back and points removed. If it comes off I’ll explain all. Just encase you were wondering it was a Laser Trap and was allegedly doing 90MPH.

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    I've always been under the impression that Police can exceed the limit in the process of following a car - without having to have blue lights on. How else can they keep up with a speeding car to get speed readings on VasCar/ProVida if they had to whack on the blue lights each time thereby alerting the other car? Blue lights, AFAIK, are only used when stopping people/alerting people of their presence i.e. get out the way I'm coming through kinda thing.

    Just look at all the incidents on Traffic Cops/Road Wars type programmes - they're doing speed checks all the time without blues. Once they have the reading and they want to pull them, then they put the lights on - that's the way I've always seen it done.

    If they're just on normal patrol and have no justification, then I'm sure then they can't just hoon around at any speed and have to comply with the speed limits etc.

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    I've undertaken a Blue Light Course that was endorsed by Hampshire Police at the time and it was fully drummed into us by the Police Traffic Instructor that because you have Blue Lights on your vehicle it doesn’t mean you have a right to use them nor are you above the Law and that you are fully answerable to the Road Traffic Act.
    What was the purpose of the blue light course though? - not to drive Police cars by the sound of it? It was the 'endorsed by..." bit that made me think that it was a blue light course for non-Police drivers? If so then that's also why - you're not Police.

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    Lucky man Duncan. I got 2 sets of 3 points by the same officer an the same road nearly exactly a year apart. That was tears ago fortunately, I suppose a White Nova SR sticks out like a sore thumb.

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