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    Default Vec C 1.9CDTi 150 engine problem

    I am hoping there a few people that can help.....it's a bit lon gbut stay with me.......

    Back in July we bough an 07 56plate 150 Sri, from a main dealer in Norfolk, with 16k on the clock
    Now to cut a long story short......

    We started hearing a noise that sonds typical of hydraulic lifters with no oil or when you first start a car up in the morning after the oil has drained.
    This noise though would only happen when the engine was hot (running).....by that I mean at 85+ on the temp gauage. This would occur after city/town stop start traffic followed by a stretch of dual carriage way. What was stranger is that it would only happen in 4th under hard acceleration between 2200 - 3000rpm.
    O.K. it went back to the dealer 3 times saying they couldn't find anything.
    3rd time, I got very annoyed beacuse I knew there was somthing there and thay said there wasn't. I spoke to the service manager who took it out himself and finaly he found it. Although the dealer hadn't had any like this, Vauxhall said there were a few cases....both cams had signs of wear and a couple of followers. According to vauxhall they were not hardened properly during the manufacturing process. So they replaced both cams and I think 2 follwers/tappets, of course under warrenty.

    On monday the same thing noise appeared as before; same gear same rev range etc.
    I don't get to drive it that much, so i was thinking that maybe because I may be a little more 'enthusiastic' when driving than the wife, that it didn't cure the problem any way.
    When the work was done I asked for a print out of thie job card to Vauxhall, which reluctantly they did, and there were cams, follwers and a few other bits on there, so I know they were not trying it on.
    I spoke to the dealer this morning and they said bring it in as usual. But were 25 miles from them and it's getting really iritating. I can't see how a new pair of cams could be defective in the same way?!?
    We spent a lot of our money to get this thinking it will be reliable for at least 4 years (mainly due to my wifes job) and I am now seriously considering to get shot as the dealer really can't see our situation. Is there any thing that can be done about that. We bought it out right.

    Incidently I asked if they would be changing the cam belt and they said vauxhall would not pay for a belt considering the milage covered!!!
    How can this be!! I was alway led to belive that if you loosen the belt or play with it then replace it!!!
    Also I've been told that these are Fiat/Alfa engines Is that right?
    If I knew that I wouldn't have got it!!!!!
    I'm soooo peed of that they can't seem to be arsed and that we have to run around every 5 minuted for themn to find a problem that they can't fix!!!

    HELP

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    and here........i thought it dind't go through thats why there are shorter posts!!!!!!!!! SORRY!

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    Yes they are Fiat power units.


    Have you tried a different dealer?? A lot of dealers are not renowned for their customer service IMO.

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    There is a dealer closer and I spoke to them and they said obviously that the are obliged to do any work beacuase of the warranty, but the guy said that because of what has been done and the noise has returned then then the original dealer should really look at it. But I think maybe a fresh set of eyes looking at it may help. I don't want to keep taking the car back every few weeks for somthing that can't be found. I wonder if I got the Dealer Principal involved then would it get sorted?!

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    Fiat's engines are generally excellent. Just think, the 1.9CDTi is designed by the same guys who produce Ferrari engines.

    The 1.9's main issue is the inlet manafold and EGR system which is made by Pierburg.

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    I used to work for an Fiat / Alfa dealer when the first 156's came out around '97, and I remember a steady stream of brand spankers' coming in with broken belts (cam belt i mean), so maybe thats tainting my view.
    I know they are good really. I like it and we are both generally pleased with it....it's a world apart from the 1.6 Diesel orion my mum had when in 1989!!
    It's just that when you put a lot of your money in to a motor that you think is going to reliable etc, it takes the shine off it when you get a problem like this. I mean it's not like it's an ecu light realted problem. We're talking major components here.....from a car thats done 20k. God knows cars have there probs; especialy new ones, and yes I know it's under warrenty so I won't really loose any sleep but I just want the car sorted and keep it that way!

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    I hear you - seems you've been unlucky and got a total lemon.

    Mate of mine got a new Mondeo a few years back, a 2.2TDCi ST. Within the first year it had 2 ECUs, countless injectors, 3 turbos and in the end got a totally new engine. It still wouldn't go right, in the end up Ford took it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _ZS_ View Post
    Fiat's engines are generally excellent. Just think, the 1.9CDTi is designed by the same guys who produce Ferrari engines.

    The 1.9's main issue is the inlet manafold and EGR system which is made by Pierburg.
    Ive seen plenty red F1 cars with smoke pouring out of them over the years lol

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    God don't say that!!!!
    I want them to take it back but thay won't just on that will they? Even if they did it'd be hundreds of letters later and a whole lot of agro!!!!!

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    Keep taking it back until its sorted. I would have thought good pratice would be if the cam belt comes off to fit a new one tbh. Also its up to you what dealer you take it too. Just explain you have lost confidence in their ability to sort it Good luck.
    Now I need a turbo to keep up!

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