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    Right chaps, ive come in to some money and gona spend it on the car its an 06 1.9cdti 120, ive done airbox mod and k&N panell filter. I want to improve performance what do i go for i have searched the forum over and over and are non the wiser.

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    Remap or tuning box? doesnt matter bout the money but i still wnt a relativeely good deal so i can get me some new rims

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    BSR remap is by far ur best option and exactly what im saving for right now! All the tuning box does is intercept the info from the ECU to the engine and increases the fuel/air mix to create more power. Dont get me wrong it works well and the power gains r good, i got an extra 27bhp from mine plus 11bhp from my K&N panel filter and air box mod for an increase of 38bhp! How reliable they r i couldnt tell u but all i know is its fooling the engine to do more work than is normal! The safer option is an ECU remap as they r designed and tuned specifically for ur car and engine. Put it this way iv taken my tuning box off coz it has been playing up with the engine and activating the 'spanner' light on my dashboard, so its not as safe as i 1st thought! Get a Remap!!!
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    Yep BSR all the way mate, well worth the money

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    got to be BSR all the way

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    Box! These days they are much more user friendly, adjustable, DIY, full warranty backed (removes grey areas), and resellable or cross product usable so u can use it an different cars (alfa, fiat, saab etc etc). There are different boxes and different remaps. I have tried most and have settled on one. If you wanna know specifics then PM me.

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    171bhp at the wheels and 206 at the fly from just my box!

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    EDS do a fantastic remap. I had two DTUK boxes, then went for a EDS map on my Astra. 200hp and 310lb-ft limited, compared to 185hp and 320lb-ft with the boxes.

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    I wouldn't even think about putting a box on a car of mine, it'll always be the remap route for me..

    This info is from BSR's website so it obviously mentions the PPC a few times, i posted it up earlier in the year, it should help to clarify the differences between a box and a proper remap.. but the info doesn't only apply to the PPC though, as all good remapper's should offer the same sort of quality assurances with their products..


    And i've not heard of any tuning box being "full warranty backed to remove the grey areas.." unless its just a product warranty and which means replacing one tuning box for another if it fails, which sounds a bit misleading as it still leaves the car / engine / fuel system at risk.. A remap is always the better, safer option..

    A "diesel box" deceives the control system of the car
    In a modern car there are complex control systems that cooperate with each other to make everything work perfectly. A "diesel box" manipulates some signals in order to either increase the injection time or fuel pressure (that is the only thing a diesel box can manage to do). Unfortunately this manipulation is done entirely without the control system’s knowledge. This means that a diesel box "deceives" the control system of the car and the consequence is that a large amount of values and control data will be incorrect:

    - on board computer shows too low fuel consumption
    - anti skid program (ESP) is disturbed because of incorrect torque value
    - automatic gearboxes get incorrect torque value
    - torque reduction when shifting gear (for comfort and durability) is not retained
    - regeneration (emptying) of particle filter will not be optimal
    - calculation of exhaust temperature is disturbed
    - calculation of service interval is disturbed
    - diagnostic system is disturbed

    Real diesel optimisation
    If you want to tune your diesel car and still keep the car’s safety and durability functions for the engine/transmission/ESP etc intact, the only way to tune a diesel car is to make changes in the existing control system of the engine. That is exactly what we are doing with the PPC. With PPC we have total control over all parameters at any moment, and we don’t disturb the safety functions of the car by deceiving the system.

    Apart from an obvious power and torque increase you get the following advantages with PPC Tuning System:

    - tuning is installed in a few minutes without lifting the hood
    - PPC doesn't need to be connected to the car after tuning
    - no loose boxes and flexes in the engine compartment
    - torque comes soft and smooth
    - torque is adjusted/limited on lower gears (to avoid damage on the transmission)
    - boost pressure and air flow is optimized
    - reinstall original settings takes only a few minutes
    - on board computer shows correct fuel consumption
    - anti skid program (ESP) function is fully retained
    - torque reduction when shifting gear (for comfort and durability) is retained
    - regeneration (emptying) of particle filter is retained optimal
    - correct calculation of exhaust temperature
    - correct calculation of service interval
    - diagnostic system is retained
    - no enlarged NOx emissions compared with original when driving in regulated emission tests

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    Not had a box nor a diesel but do have a BSR remap that I find to be faultless and giving a bigger hike in power and torque as against standard than BSR advertise. Doubtless the newer more intelligent and more expensive tuning boxes work more in sympathy with the ECU than the simpler ones which disregard it. But I can well understand why boxes users swear by them as they are certainly cost-effective when they don't pose problems. Horses for courses each to their own. Whatever floats your boat.

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    "And i've not heard of any tuning box being "full warranty backed to remove the grey areas.." unless its just a product warranty and which means replacing one tuning box for another if it fails, which sounds a bit misleading as it still leaves the car / engine / fuel system at risk.. A remap is always the better, safer option.."

    DTE systems boxes using DTUK maps have a £5000 engine and fuel system warranty as well as their product warranty.

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    Does that cover the gearbox and the clutch when the lumpy power output provided by the box trashes them?

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