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    .....a little comparison:

    GEORGIA

    Total personnel: 26,900

    Main battle tanks (T-72): 82

    Armoured personnel carriers: 139

    Combat aircraft (Su-25): Seven

    Heavy artillery pieces (including Grad rocket launchers): 95


    RUSSIA

    Total personnel: 641,000

    Main battle tanks (various): 6,717

    Armoured personnel carriers: 6,388

    Combat aircraft (various): 1,206

    Heavy artillery pieces (various): 7,550


    Kind of like an adult picking on a 5 year old, don't you think?

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    Yep, a little like David & Goliath.

    We all need to hope that this settles down quick.

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    Agreed Ozz. It could be WW3 in the making (I'm not kidding).

    Georgia have retreated out of South Ossetia(sp?) so even though the Commies have had their way hopefully it'll quell the situation.

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    The Russians will not be having it all their own way, Terrain will be playing a big part. Georgia is very mountainous to the North, this will cause lots of bottlenecks and only one main road leading out of Russia into Ossetia will create many casualties for the Russians. The Georgian army are very professional and are well trained. They will be fighting in their own back yard so will be able to utilise the ground and place their armoured assets extremely well creating huge killing grounds that can have a very nasty effect on their enemy. When it comes down to it the Georgians out number the Russians on the battlespace, however the Russians have air superiority - making an even and possibly prolonged 8loody battle. Along with this is the PR campaign and "their" own coverage of what is happening, Georgia will have the upper hand with plenty of sympathy from the west.
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    Do you think we could be dragged into it Meriva?

    I've just read that the US are flying Georgian troops home from Iraq.

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    Yeah they have asked for coalition help in bringing their 2000+ troops out of Iraq to defend the homeland incase the "Red Bear" doesn't stop moving forward... 2000 troops is a lot of firepower to lose in Iraq! Who's going to fill their boots now?

    All this because Georgia are Pro Western and sit on Russia's door step... So I'm guessing it's to show the the various other Pro Western countries, Poland etc, that the West will just stand back and watch rather than help... Oh, but the leaders, they are busy... the Olympics are on..

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    The powers that be certainly need to be wary that it does not escalate.
    The western powers and Nato were I believe too hasty to acknowledge Kosovo in their declaration of independance, it sets dangerous precedents. Russia does not understandably wish to see bordering states breakaway which from their point of view undermines their own security regardless of the rights/wrongs of their own draconian policies.
    One thing we have learned from history.... is that we never learn!
    With Georgia pulling troops back from Ossetia it may help to defuse the situation slightly. I suspect, that with Russia now being in a very much more powerful position both militarily and financially than it has been for a very long time they will be endevouring to assert the balance of power, whether that path leads to ramifications for the rest of the world remains to be seen.
    Expect your fuel prices to start to increase again! :-((

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadman View Post
    Do you think we could be dragged into it Meriva?

    I've just read that the US are flying Georgian troops home from Iraq.
    We are not in a position to do anything! Total operational/active personal combatants in British army is officially put at 88,000. We have bigger crowds at a good football match... LOL We dont even have enough troops to line the road to give Margarette Thatcher a state funeral according to the BBC site a few days ago. (Not that I think she should have one) This country is finished as a force to be reckoned with, and the USA is not in a position at the present time to do very much either... and who are we to try and tell others how to run their own countries, Russia is a fraction of the size it once was, their reluctance to see it get smaller is IMO from their point of view understandable, though we may not agree with their policies and the methods they use.

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    This will be a very difficult time for Georgia, however it is more dangerous for the seperatist states. Neither Ossetia or Abkhazia are recognised as independant states by either the west, and more importantly Russia. While they have the backing from Russia at the moment, Russia will not let them gain independance. Once free from Georgia, Russia will see these states as gained territory. Russia I'm sure will seek to gain further territories and I'm sure Georgia as a weakened state will be offered a peace deal IF they join the Russian federation. So should this concern us - for now no! It is very unlikely our troops will deploy (We are only in overwatch in Kosovo). However future battles in the next century are unlikely to be about territories, but about amenities namely oil and water!!

    A point to note is history has a habit of repeating itself. what brought down the old soviet republic was their governments ability to spend more money on it's defence (Army, Air Force) than on it's infrastructure. The soviet Army/air force was publically defeated by a rag tag army of Afghans. If Russia continue to spend money like they did in the late 80's then the current government won't last long.

    PS this is all a little deep for a car forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron43 View Post
    We are not in a position to do anything! Total operational/active personal combatants in British army is officially put at 88,000.
    That figure is nearer 95000 as it excludes SF personnel and soldiers in training and the people training them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron43 View Post
    This country is finished as a force to be reckoned with
    I find this throw away comment very wrong. We have the very best in our soldiers, and having served 19 years I can say our training is excellent. the numbers game is nothing mare than a smoke screen. 20 years ago we had 240,000 in our forces many of which had never seen combat. what we have now is over 90000 hardened battle ready troops highly trained, many of which have seen combat two or three times already.

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