IMO the clubs better off with out you. I'll be deleting the photo of your car and not putting it on the site so there
IMO the clubs better off with out you. I'll be deleting the photo of your car and not putting it on the site so there
Amen to that!!! No need at all!
I appreciate it can be difficult to approach others, but nobody would ignore you, so its not really everyone elses fault, and I think that is why others are getting so upset, you are suggesting that we aren't approachable, when you will never meet a bunch of more approachable guys than we have in this club!
This was my 2nd meet, first meet being on a much smaller scale incidently and the Regional Organiser in this meet was AndrewTi who done a stirling job.
I would like to say I was apprehensive about meeting people for the first time on this scale and the first person I encountered on the Saturday was Ditchp, and a very pleasant and helpful person (he loaned me a tent also), a very nice person indeed.
As the day went on I met quite a few of the members and I think that there was a lot of newbies there and were probably feeling the same, at this point in time I just felt more at ease and met many more nice people.
As for the Sunday there were more members again and as previously mention in an earlier post would of been difficult to meet them all in the given time with so much going on.
????????????????????? Well i'm the Mrs.... and i really am surprised thats the comments you have sent!! I thought this was a free country and we all had the right to express our views? Big phil, and the chap next to us, were lovely, and i seem to remember the year before last PVS.... Big Phil was again the only friendly face we see...... and at that show, we came and sat up with every one!
I agree with all you men, we are better off with BMW......
gone
Well this has turned sour quickly.....Lets keep our feet on the ground peeps!
I don't think showing some one the door for voiceing an opinion is doing anyone any favours. I still remember my first encounter and it is scary, but you have to take a leap of faith. Yes alot of peeple already know each other and get lost in their conversations afterall they don't meet face to face very often, A simple Hi i'm "Bob" who's who around here would have brocken the ice nicely!
Hopefully your next experience will be better! And lets hope there is a next time.
i used to be in the bmw drivers club when i had my E30 and if you think theyre gonna be any friendlier youre sadly mistaken. You should fit right in though cos youve got youre head stuck in the same place. Do you see any sunshine?
Given that you arrived some time after the majority of people had arrived, the people who had being doing the meet and greet and directing people to a spot on the stand were then sorting/cleaning out their own cars. You would also have missed out, I'm assuming, being handed the A4 sheet explaining all what was happening on the stand and a bit about what PVS was all about.
You parked up your car and as far as I could see you then just left it and walked off to look round PVS - not to mention the fact that you left it parked with a For Sale sign and price in the window!!! This sort of thing was clearly stated as not being allowed on the handout that was given. Even if you didn't have one of those due to arriving later, it would have been common courtesy to have asked somebody - Admin or Events Manager - if it was okay to do that! Instead, you just popped it in the window and walked off.
I, and many others, were walking around with club shirts with our names on. You could easily have walked up and introduced yourself to those people since you would have known who they were by their shirts. I always make a point of trying to introduce myself to people that I haven't met before on a club stand. If they aren't wearing a club shirt with a name on I also make a point of finding out who they are as it's always good to put a face to a name and who was there on the day. There will be a good number of members who were there on Sunday, who I'd never met before, who will verify that I made myself known and actively introduced myself to people as, I'm sure, did other members - and I also had members I hadn't met come over to me to introduce themselves - it works both ways! And I still managed all that whilst also helping tend to a six week old baby as well! - so you've got no excuse not to have done the same yourself and then come and complain about it.
Given that people are on and off the stand during the day, some people simply don't cross paths. I saw your car, but I don't think I even clapped eyes on you on the stand. I don't know if you were there for the picnic and presentation? If you were, again a perfect opportunity to introduce yourself to people, especially if they had club shirts on with their names.
You can't expect people to flock to you, which is what it sounds like you were expecting - you need to make some effort yourself to make yourself known to people and introduce yourself! The people who are doing the organising on the day are doing just that - organising stuff - so they can't always go round every member, especially if that member wasn't on the stand for very long.
Very unfair comments IMO and as you can see from the other comments by members whose first time it was at a large meet, it certainly wasn't their feelings and experience.
Bear in mind where you were and what it was.
It was a national meet where members travelled far and wide just to get here. Lots of those members were new to it, lots were old hands catching up.
Singling out the organisers for criticism is bang out of order. Without them, there would have been no meet at all. They spent the whole morning trying to do just that, organise proceedings, thankfully 99% showed a damn site more gratitude.
For what it's worth, I didn't get a chance to talk to half the people I wanted to, I didn't get chance to say hello to Shan for instance (not singling anyone out, just an example), every time I got a chance to leave my 10 week old, he was elsewhere, or someone else collared me and I was sidetracked elsewhere. I managed to talk to his wife a few times the night before, but that's the way it goes some times.
Also, by nature, PVS attracts members to stalls all over the site, not just to sit and stay on our own stand.
Your car was parked three up from my own. I didn't see you arrive, I didn't see you leave and I was one of the few who didn't wander off, due to helping with setting up or the baby needing attention etc.
So don't come on here talking that sort of bollox. I thought I couldn't get any angrier than I was last night with the state of the marshalling or lack of it. To come on citing it as unfriendly is just too much. Did you see people arranging the cars? Did you see people putting food out and making sure everyone got some? Did you see people diving onto a members car to clean it for him as he'd travelled the thick end of 1000 miles accross three countries just to get there? Did you see peoples cars in pieces as others saw to minor defects? I'm guessing not.
Feel free not to attend any more events if that's how you feel or that's your attitude. And this is the first time I've ever said that to anyone.
Enjoy the friendly BMW forum.
I am so surprised at the response as well, I thought we lived in a country where we could express our views.
The Forum is great and its always much easier to talk online than face to face. Maybe we should all be adults and take on board what has been said. I esp think there is no need to use FFS in the conversations esp from a moderator as I have had my middle son asking what is stands for!
Maybe a few comments on how we can make the meeting easier for people to meet/greet to know each other would be better comments than just slaging someone off for an opinion.
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