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    Default So what did we all make of the Megs. presentation?

    Good presentions should provoke debate so what do we think of the views from yesterday.

    1. Carnuba waxes are out of date and the reason that companies still make them is that we'd go elsewhere if the product line ended.

    2. NXT wax is at least as good as Carnuba waxes costing £100 or more.

    3. Snowfoaming is a waste of time and money. It's just there so that companies have something extra to sell you.

    4. Never use T cut on your car. The Abrasive do not diminish (as per Scratch X) and you can seriously damage the paint.

    5. The ultimate detailer is head and shoulders ( ) above the Quik detailer and the NXT speed detailer.

    6. Don't use a sponge. Use a Mitt.

    7. Polishing cloths from Costo etc. are not as good as the Megs. supreme shine ones because of the way the cloth is finished. It's an internet myth that they are the same.

    Sure there was more but they stood out for me.


    edit. Could a mod sort the thread title please? we = what
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    1. Carnuba waxes are out of date and the reason that companies still make them is that we'd go elsewhere if the product line ended. Do you remember the reasoning behind this? Interested and skeptical.

    2. NXT wax is at least as good as Carnuba waxes costing £100 or more.
    Again, interested and skeptical of the justification behind this

    3. Snowfoaming is a waste of time and money. It's just there so that companies have something extra to sell you.
    Sorry Meguiars, don't agree with that at all.

    4. Never use T cut on your car. The Abrasive do not diminish (as per Scratch X) and you can seriously damage the paint.
    Yes, the abrasives don't break down, but the poduct still gets used to great effect.

    5. The ultimate detailer is head and shoulders above the Quik detailer and the NXT speed detailer. (in fact the latter two should be used as a luube for claying now)
    In what respect? Finish? Surely there can't be THAT big a difference, it's only detailer at the end of the day

    6. Don't use a sponge. Use a Mitt.
    People will always have their own views on this. Have you seen the guys over on DetailingWorld using a GROUT sponge, and ofcourse the Zym0l sponge

    7. Polishing cloths from Costo etc. are not as good as the Megs. supreme shine ones because of the way the cloth is finished. It's an internet myth that they are the same.
    Horses for courses, i don't use costco MF's but i wouldn't have a problem with using them for interior, windows and wheels cleaning

    It seems as though Megs were just going for the sell of their own product IMO. Maybe it didn't come across like that when you were actually there though.

    I wonder if they even would've showed you machine polishing if they didn't have their own Meguiars polisher, they may have said that machine polishing is a waste of time, and that hand polishing with a tube of scratch x is the only way to do it. Exageration i know.

    I like Megs products, i use them all the time, but this to me just sounds like a hard sell.
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    Yes Steve, very informative, learned a few things.
    Like you say the modern synthetics are as good if not better than carnuba.
    Also, from the amount of NXT he used on a 1/3 of Shan's bonnet, I'm using too much
    Hopefully I can reduce the amount of swirls on mine with the scratch x.

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    intresting from wot you typed it did sound like a sales pitch but then they are the experts in those products and know how to get the best out of them.
    other companys would also say the same.

    was there any freebies on offer.

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    Harry,


    no mate it wasn't the hard sell. The guys were at pains to say whatever works for you but I surprised to say the least at the views on Carnuba wax given that Megs. has one (although not the best) as step 3 in the enthusiast range. So they were actually advocating not using one of their own products.

    Also to be fair there was plenty of stuff that I agreed with, like using two buckets, Costo cloths for the interior and glass etc.

    No I think they were honest answers but I'll be sticking with my Colly 915.

    edit: yep there was a freebie pack but not opened it yet.
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    I think the point they made with snowfoam is that -if- you have a prewaxed car then snowfoam will get most stuff off, but you'll still need to hit it with a sponge in the end so it's not the most productive use of time. of course if your car -isn't- waxed the foam won't do that much, aside from impress the neighbours! I can't really say, never used it myself.

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    They claim the nxt one is better because it contains hydrophobic polymers which will repel water. they were supposed to show us a video demonstration but guess they ran out of time.

    And no it didn't come over as a hard sell at all, just saying what their products did, the only other product they bashed was fairy liquid!

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    so its still ok to use the tescos super concentrated then ????

    ok only joking .............glad i cant use a foam gun then

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    Did anyone else who attended catch the bit about Meg's polish contains no abrasives whatsoever ?
    Forgive me if i'm wrong, but isn't that what a polish is ?
    An abrasive that breaks down under use, just as shown in the scratch-X demo.

    "Sealants are the same as a wax (a protectant) and therefore no point to use them !"
    Why do Meguiars make and sell them then along with wax..?

    Can't believe that there was no dicount at all !
    I bet they sold £1000 minimum worth of gear to us !

    Would have been more if BIG PHIL had bought the bucket with a lid on for his grit guard
    Until Mrs. BIG PHIL said and i quote ...........
    " Phil ! A bucket ? A F**king bucket...............?"
    Sorry mate, but the look on your face as you trundled off to put it back with your quivering lip !!!!


    Have consideration for the deaf, if you're gunna fart, make it smell !


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    I think they see a polish as a thing which is shiny, a corrective product as totally seperate and either a wax or sealant to go on top of that. the way i heard it was "what about sealant after wax?" "there's no point (doing both) they are the same thing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaninacupboard View Post
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    I think the point they made with snowfoam is that -if- you have a prewaxed car then snowfoam will get most stuff off, but you'll still need to hit it with a sponge in the end so it's not the most productive use of time. of course if your car -isn't- waxed the foam won't do that much, aside from impress the neighbours! I can't really say, never used it myself.
    i can sort of appreciate the point being made, but the whole purpose of snowfoam is to reduce the required amount of physical contact between mitt an vehicle, which is where swirls are created, and not to eliminate it completely. yes, yous till have to take a washmitt to the car in order to get in clean, but a fair amount of dirt has already been wahed away, especially if you're using a pressure washer to rinse of the foam.

    and what percentage of people do you think will attend a meguiars dedicated meet that don't already wax their cars.

    not directing this to you flan BTW, but just making a point in general.

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