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    Default Bye Bye Gearbox!

    Well,

    Local independant had the car today - put it up on the ramps and it turns out that, whilst showing signs of wear, the wheel bearing wasn't the problem!

    The actual problem is a whole in the gearbox the size of a penny and the fact that shining a light up inside shows broken gears

    Spoke to VX who claim there are 2 different boxes which could be in my car (2004 (54) 1.8 LS) and they don't know which one it is - the number will be stamped on the box and the only way to get to the number is to drop the box out of the car!

    So, the local guy I use can't have the car on his lift for a long time after removing the box so we need to get the car + the right replacement box to him and he claims it can all be done in a day.

    Any ideas how I can find out what box I have without taking out?

    Cheers,
    Adam

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    same prob as me mate, my diff went caput. new box time all under warranty tho

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    My box makes some odd noises at times , a whirring sound mainly when pulling away , its not hte bearings , how tough are the vauxhall boxes ?

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    vx should be able to tell which box via the VIN number

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    I would have thought so too but vx claim it could be one of two boxes and they don't know which it is!

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    Where is the number stamped?? Are they any distinguishing features externally at all?

    If you know where the number is and what the 2 numbers are, I would dare bet that you could find out which you have, unless it is not on an external surface of course.

    The BIG question is, are the 2 GBs interchangeable?

    Personally, unless the work is covered under a warranty, I would go down the guaranteed second hand route - unless you got loads of wedge just now.

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    Where is the number stamped?? Are they any distinguishing features externally at all?
    According to the guy at the dealers, they had some ambulance cars in recently and had to drop them out to find out which ones they were so I'd guess there's no distinguishing features.

    The BIG question is, are the 2 GBs interchangeable?
    Parts guy at the dealers seemed to think it was important to find out the correct one. I'd say that they're not interchangeable from the way he was talking but I hope someone here knows better.

    Personally, unless the work is covered under a warranty, I would go down the guaranteed second hand route - unless you got loads of wedge just now.
    The work is being paid for out of my back pocket - a back pocket which is decidedly light at the minute.

    I've been recommended a local transmission specialists who are apparently very good and reasonably priced at doing rebuilds on your old box where possible.

    I'm thinking of giving them a go.....

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    IMO, an exchange or scrap yard GOOD unit would be a better plan, economically and for durability of the GB. Rebuilding a damaged GB will not be as good as a factory built unit, who ever does the work - IMO, and it WILL be more expensive to rebuild.

    If you are only looking for one of 2 numbers stamped, I would find out exactly where the stamp is located, and then by hook or crook and mirrors and contortionism, read off the number on my GB. Obviously that's if it is visible from the exterior at all.

    Why would they fit 2 versions of gearbox, that are externally identical ? ? Bizzare to me. DFA score would be low. I would suspect that there are differences, but they could be minor, and not really noticeable unless you had both versions sat of your desk...


    Does seem crazy to me though.

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    There are different variants of the F17 box - known as F17, F17+ and F17+ MTA. From Jan 2003 they were F17+/F17+MTA (MTA=Easytronic version). One of the main differences appears to be a different final output ratio (3.74 or 3.94).

    On yours, being after Jan 2003 it'll be an F17+, you'll find the identification stamp here....



    1. Manufacturing plant (A=Aspern, B=Bochum)
    2. Transmission designation
    3. Year of manufacture
    4. Consecutive number
    5. Parts code (this also identifies the final output ratio)
    UA = Wide Ratio and 3.94 final drive
    UB = Close Ratio and 3.94 final drive

    I don't know what the access is like on the 1.8, but if you can get under the car and with a torch, mirrors etc. get a view on that end of the housing then you should be able to get the ident code from it.

    Also, don't forget you can get exchange boxes from Vx. They're basically factory rebuilt and they take yours in exchange, so costs less than buying a brand new one. They could also repair/rebuild it I'm sure. Put it this way, all the instructions for replacing various parts of the internals are in TIS, so they should be quite capable of doing this, depending on how much is damaged. i.e. it may be more economical just to exchange it than spend all the time replacing bits.

    HTH

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    One of the main differences appears to be a different final output ratio (3.74 or 3.94).
    Thanks Duncan, that's what the parts guy said but he couldn't tell me which one would be in mine.

    Would any F17+ box fit mine then?

    Is there any way of finding out the parts code and UA/UB without getting under the car - as I'm not 100% sure I can find it and am wanting to phone round in the morning to get prices etc.

    As for the exchange box, how would that work if I was going to get the work done at an independent - can I still get an exchange box from vx? If so, do I have to give them my gearbox before I get the new one or do you get x days to give them the dead one?

    Thanks,
    Adam

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