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    After just reading a post about AFL, maybe it's about time that all cars were fitted with this. Remember ABS now thankfully nearly all cars are fitted with this as standard, and ESP from what I have read is much more common in Europe than it is here......and don't forget that at least some of the Vectras if they are badged as OPEL come with a full-size spare. Why should features which are known as improving car safety not available everywhere?

    For too long we were ripped off on price.......but it shouldn't stop there. For example to equip all cars with ESP during production would cost a mere £200 ...worth the extra I would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_k_sri View Post
    After just reading a post about AFL, maybe it's about time that all cars were fitted with this. Remember ABS now thankfully nearly all cars are fitted with this as standard, and ESP from what I have read is much more common in Europe than it is here......and don't forget that at least some of the Vectras if they are badged as OPEL come with a full-size spare. Why should features which are known as improving car safety not available everywhere?

    For too long we were ripped off on price.......but it shouldn't stop there. For example to equip all cars with ESP during production would cost a mere £200 ...worth the extra I would say.

    Waddya think?
    Well said, Paid £400 for the esp+ inc IDS, AFL was £700. Full size spare won't fit in the boot

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    Yep, ESP is more common in Europe and people are campaigning for it to be much common on more cars here, like ABS is - and to which it's being compared to as being as significant a safety feature.

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    It all comes down to cost and remaining competitive with other brands.

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    Yep, and as the cost of the kit comes down in price, like it did with ABS, it'll become more common place. When ABS was first out/in the early years, you'd only see it as standard on more expensive models. Now it's even on things like a Matiz! lol

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    So, if TC is SO good for safety, why are folks on here fitting switches to turn it off???

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    Where did TC come into the convo?, I was referring to ABS - or were you simply initiating it into the convo?

    In reply though, people would want to turn it off for a few reasons - it can actually be a disadvantage in the snow/ice when setting off. Spinning the wheels to get a dig in can be helpful in setting of, instead of having the power constantly being cut and just going nowhere.

    When people go to Santa Pod, it helps to have it off for better launches.

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    So we can have more fun of course!! :-)

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    Strictly speaking, traction control is just for getting the wheels moving from standstill in slippery conditions. It's usually disengaged above ~25mph.

    Although TC is no longer fitted as standard to the Vectra, they all still come with CBC (Cornering Brake Control) which is a basic form of skid prevention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan View Post
    Where did TC come into the convo?,
    Original post mentions ESP. Just skewing it to Vecs with TC.


    Saying all this, preventing dangerous situations is better than having technology to try to get you out the sh!t

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