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    sorry to bother everyone, but i just wanted to know when i get my v6 cdti can i run it on biofuel????? as some of the pumps around my way offer this

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    you MUST NOT run it on Bio fuel..

    it just doesn't have the lubricating propeties of diesels, and it's strongly reccomended to avoid them in any common rail diesel..you could try using it at a small dilution in a DTi, but you are only asking for VERY expensive trouble if you use it in your new V6

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    If it's "biodiesel" it probably will work, though I'd not use it unless I cleared it with Vauxhall first (you know what they are like with warranties).
    I've never actually seen "Biodiesel" on sale around here, but I hear it is the most common type of biofuel in Europe.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biofuel

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    oops, sorry
    ^^^ that's the man who knows, for sure, GSi

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    the good thing is, is that it is so much cheaper and you get zero emissions.i have been told its good for an engine.you dont get all the soot build up inside,and you dont pay london congestion charge.and its good for the enviroment.i reckon in the end that is what everyone will be using.just thought i would check.

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    the trouble is knowing WHO made the biodeisel, and whether it's just recycled chip oil, or properly manufactured fuel..

    there are firms who make it by treating and settling and dewatering old chip oil, then they add a small amount of a more combustable hydrocarbon to it to promote ignition of the oil....

    it's is fine in a wide variety of the older style engines with an engine driven pump, like the old transit Di engines, landrovers TDi engines or the peugeot XUD style of engines..

    When used in newer engines with common rails it fails to have enough lubricating properties for the high pressure pump on the rail, leading to it's failure...i've seen several new TDCi transits that have failed due to being run on bio diesel..so for your NEW V6 CDTi i'd steer well clear.. yes it's cheap.. but there is a reason...

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    What do you mean by bio fuel ?? Do you mean something like B20? ie Bio diesel?

    If so, yes you can run on it. We are currently doing some work on validating the use of bio diesel mix (can't tell you which level though) on high pressure common rail engines (running at about 1600 Bar)

    You should read the documentation from VX as to whether warranty will be affected though.


    IIRC Currently in certain countries, 5% of diesel can be bio without declaring it.

    I am NOT saying that 100% bio is OK. Europe is moving to be around 20% bio in diesel in the next few years. Some territories are looking at higher concentrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by l33l33 View Post
    the good thing is, is that it is so much cheaper and you get zero emissions.i have been told its good for an engine.you dont get all the soot build up inside,and you dont pay london congestion charge.and its good for the enviroment.i reckon in the end that is what everyone will be using.just thought i would check.
    what you mean is like the new SAAB which runs on Biofuel..if it's obtained from the highstreet pumps then it will be dearer than the fuel that is widely marketed as 'biodiesel' and avaliable from your mate Al in a plastic can down the pub..BUT highstreet fuel will contain that vital extra lubrication that the pumps need..

    The technology for SAAB engines is so new that i've yet to even see one in the flesh or hear reports on it....but i'd let someone else be the guniea pig for a year or so..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste View Post
    What do you mean by bio fuel ?? Do you mean something like B20? ie Bio diesel?

    If so, yes you can run on it. We are currently doing some work on validating the use of bio diesel mix (can't tell you which level though) on high pressure common rail engines (running at about 1600 Bar)

    You should read the documentation from VX as to whether warranty will be affected though.


    IIRC Currently in certain countries, 5% of diesel can be bio without declaring it.

    I am NOT saying that 100% bio is OK. Europe is moving to be around 20% bio in diesel in the next few years. Some territories are looking at higher concentrations.

    thats what i like.... some 'inside' development engineering input..

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    looks like that is a no go at the moment then.thanks for all your input

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