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    My mates Corsa has just failed the new MOT on Hid's with no adjusters !
    This is going to cost a lot of people a lot of money.
    I can see the scrapyards running out of standard headlights now!
    Front page of Auto Express or one of the car rags.
    New rules are, 'All Hid's must be self leveling and have washers'.
    All cars from 2010 His is a 56 plate ???
    Anyone else heard of this

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    Plenty have passed recently up around me with HID kits fitted. If it fails, put in old bulbs, re-test then re install HID kit, 10 min job to remove/instal the kits..

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    It didnt fail on bulbs mate re-read my post?
    Its lack of washers and self leveling adjusters its failed on.
    Google it it a 'wording ****-up' by the E.U.

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    Corsa's don't come with the projector headlights do they? Surely the beam pattern would be wrong and they'd fail on that.

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    More information on this one.
    Turns out he fitted Angel Eye's,then got rid of the original lights-Ouch !

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    I think it will be the lack of projectors in this case however there are always ongoing rumblings about HID's,,,,,

    As for the OP, if it has failed on HID's just remove the hid kit, replace with the oem bulb's pass the test put them back, simples!!

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    MOT manual still stating that its only a fail if the level sensors or washers do not work. If they dont have them they cant not fail. It is, unfortunately, all down to the MOT testers interpretation of the rules.

    Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system.
    Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickyh7 View Post
    More information on this one.
    Turns out he fitted Angel Eye's,then got rid of the original lights-Ouch !
    That makes sense now. All HID's are a set of bulbs basically, hence my first post.
    Ouch, feel for your mate, might get expensive unless he can borrow a standard set for the day? Ha

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    Roadworthy Mitsubishi Evo fails its MoT on a technicality, because of a poorly-worded rule

    Cars are failing the MoT test on an obscure technicality despite being roadworthy, Auto Express has learned. Reader Timothy Walsh was gobsmacked when his pride and joy – a 2004 Mitsubishi Evolution VIII – was declared unsafe to drive after its annual check-up.


    The tester told Timothy, from Banbridge, Co Down, that it had failed because the car’s factory-fitted HID headlamps did not have washers and a self-levelling system – both of which are required on new cars with HID lights under type approval laws that came into effect in 2010.


    But Timothy’s car was built in 2004, long before the regulations were introduced. “How can a car built in 2004 meet regulations introduced six years later? It’s ridiculous!” said Timothy, who now faces the prospect of paying to replace perfectly good headlamps before getting his Mitsubishi retested. The problem is down to the wording of MoT guidelines issued by Northern Ireland’s Driver and Vehicle Agency (DVA).


    The section on HID lamps is slightly different to the one issued by the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) to garages in England, Scotland and Wales. VOSA’s states: “A car with HID lights MAY also have headlight washers and self levelling which must be checked and in working order if fitted.” The DVA’s states: “A car with HID lights MUST have headlight washers and self levelling...”


    We pointed out the discrepancy to the DVA and asked if the wording would be changed so cars couldn’t be failed for not meeting regulations introduced many years after they were made. But a spokeswoman said the DVA believed its regulations were right and that the same test standard would be applied by garages in the rest of Britain.


    A spokesman for VOSA denied that this was the case. He said: “If a car has the washing and self-levelling system then we’ll check it and it will need to be in full working order. If it’s not there, we don’t check it – we give the owner the benefit of the doubt.”



    The problem
    The wording of new MoT regulations meant Timothy Walsh’s Mitsubishi failed its MoT on a technicality, despite being perfectly roadworthy.

    DVA's response
    A spokeswoman said: “The DVA tester’s manual accurately reflects the legal requirements for HID headlamps and no changes are envisaged.”

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    Timothy can appeal against the examiners’ decision and have the car re-examined. If the new examiner upholds the appeal, the car will get a test certificate and the DVA may refund part or all of the fee.

    Our verdict
    It’s absurd to expect cars to comply with regulations introduced after they were built. We suspect the DVA guidelines have been incorrectly worded, but the agency doesn’t want to admit the mistake.




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    Submitted by pjskelti on Thu, 2012-06-07 14:23.
    How did the car pass its MOT last year (2011) when the same rules would've been in force?
    Moreover, VOSA MOTs are perfectly acceptable in NI, so he could always plan a trip over to the mainland and get it done whilst there.
    The wording is deliberate, of that you can be sure - it'll have been checked, and double checked before being enacted.
    Whether this was done to prevent aftermarket fitment of Xenons in place of halogens, could be the reason for the wording, and the mistake was assuming all factory fitted Xenon units included washers.
    Poor showing from Mitsubishi though to a degree, my 03 Accord has headlight washers, and Lexus IS/GS of similar era, had washers fitted too.
    So it would seem they played it safe, and Mitsubishi were too busy cost cutting to think it through properly!
    I suppose when you're riding the crest of a wave with Tommi piloting your WRC car, it's easy to become a little blasé.
    Tim, it might be worth using a different test centre for the re-examination, where one hopes common sense applies.





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    So I take mine out 5 minutes before the mot and put them back in 5 minutes afterwards.

    Not a huge issue really.

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