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    Default Difference between 1.9 CDTI 150 pre and post facelift?

    I'm looking at coming back to a Vectra after loving my old workhorse 2.0Di that I sold in 2011 with 185k on the clock.

    I've got my mind set on a 1.9cdti SRI 150, but my question is whats the difference between the 02-05 and the 05-08?

    I know it's the fiat 1.9jtd engine and I guess it's not too bad, but why do parkers/autotrader show the facelift as having slower 0-60 but more torque?

    I know I'll get it remapped - most remaps offering a 40-50hp increase, but why is the facelift slower in the first place? It's even a little bit lighter than the 02-05!

    So yeah, what's the difference? Would the remap of a facelift still come out slower than a remap of a pre?

    Many thanks!

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    Have no idea, Unless Vx have changed the software at somepoint, or maybe a typo.
    So once remapped it wouldnt make a difference.

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    The main differences between the models seems to be that the pre-facelift have some small bits of nicer spec on the plus side, but have horrible looking headlights and an ugly face on the down side.

    In my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty View Post
    The main differences between the models seems to be that the pre-facelift have some small bits of nicer spec on the plus side, but have horrible looking headlights and an ugly face on the down side.

    In my opinion.
    What extra spec do the pre's have?

    And any other answers on the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andydote View Post
    What extra spec do the pre's have?

    And any other answers on the difference?
    the pre-facelifts (early ones) have alot more wiring to the car so you can add extras in which will be plug and play

    vauxhall got greedy and stopped fitting the extra wiring that wasnt needed at the time

    i dont hink there are any engine changes

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    The are changes:

    Pre facelifts have:


    - A vacuum box/accumulator between the turbo actuator and vacumm pump in turbo actuator vacuum circuit.
    - Two common rail pressure sensors
    - Have what appears to be cooling going through the inlet manifold (not for the manifold itself).

    Early Facelifts (and Late Pre Facelifts Possibly) don't have:
    - Vacuum box/accumulator box no longer present in turbo actuator vacuum circuit.

    Later Facelifts don't have:
    - Vacuum box/accumulator box no longer present in turbo actuator vacuum circuit.
    - the common rail pressure sensor on the drivers side of the engine
    - yellow injector plugs (rectified at factory late 2007 models)
    - No longer have (what appears to be anyway) a cooling pipe going through the manifold. (The inlet manifold in all cases is not water cooled btw).

    The cooling pipe was something John IS3 discovered on looking at my engine and where the pipe is present it can be traced back to the coolant bottle.

    There have been some other odds and ends. The later facelifts had a different ECU too. Torque was also raised to 320Nm over the original 315Nm too.

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    The Parkers stuff isn't that accurate, not much is in fairness, most CDTi 150's make more than 150HP out the box and most can do 0-60 when asked, in about 9.5 seconds some a bit faster some a bit slower, naturally.

    it really comes down to budget and preference. Some like the more bluff face of the pre-face others the slightly more modern facelift style, but, from reading your post, I can see neither will remain standard for very long

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Mc View Post
    The Parkers stuff isn't that accurate, not much is in fairness, most CDTi 150's make more than 150HP out the box and most can do 0-60 when asked, in about 9.5 seconds some a bit faster some a bit slower, naturally.

    it really comes down to budget and preference. Some like the more bluff face of the pre-face others the slightly more modern facelift style, but, from reading your post, I can see neither will remain standard for very long
    I'll explain my situation and you'll see where I'm coming from!

    I used to work 20 miles from home so parked my beloved Rover coupe turbo in the garage for some much needed rest. I found a 2000 Vectra DI on ebay with 150k on the clock. I paid £600 for it. It was great - cheap to insure, fairly good on fuel, cheap parts.

    After 12 months I was really missing performance. Not because I race everywhere but it's nice to be able to have a quick blast when needed. The Vectra didn't do this for me.

    I then changed jobs and was working 4 miles away. By by vectra, hello Saab 95 turbo. A quick stage 1 remap took it to 220hp with 360nm at 1bar. It's a good ride, safe and comfortable, very quick when needed, but returns 36mpg on the motorway and 24 round town.

    I know diesels are getting better so have been looking at what I can afford. I'm liking the cdti Sri. It looks nice, has good reviews and can easily be remapped. Perfect!

    I'm not looking at making it a muppet motor. It will keep the sri wheels (maybe some snowflakes) and will look standard. I do a lot of driving across europe and would be a good journey car with good mpg. But I still need that poke! That's why the difference between the 8.8 and 9.5 0-60's matter to me.

    I prefer the facelift but that extra half a second makes all the difference!

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    I have the facelift 150 CDTI and find it perfectly quick enough and I'm getting 60mpg on A road runs, this can seriously increase with frugal motorway driving. I've frequently had over 900 miles pop up on the range and never get less than 650 miles before refuelling.

    The things I miss are the rain sensing wipers and night lighting, all the toys they removed. Cant comment on the performance as my pre-face was a 2.2i direct petrol.

    Would say the pre-face is really looking dated now though, secondly the early CDTIs (all preface) have the issues, the later ones on facelift have these issues resolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chewy71 View Post
    Would say the pre-face is really looking dated now though, secondly the early CDTIs (all preface) have the issues, the later ones on facelift have these issues resolved.
    So do some of the facelift models up until August 2007. The pre facelift isn't anymore dated than the facelift I mean come on, the Vectra itself has been superceded. But ultimately, as you say the facelift SRI loses alot of toys - so the pre-facelift isn't any worse than the Facelift.

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