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    It wasn't me....

    A few days before i picked the Veccy up, let the boss drive my Volvo, she kept saying she would have to have a go before it goes..

    So we decided to pop out to get some shopping, she decideds to go a different way to usual, on the way back she come back the same way, and we see the van sitting at the side of the road, she crawls past at 30 , like a good girl.

    A week or so later a Notice of Intended Prossicution drops through the door for ME (being the car is in my name), so I asked her when she had a drive, worked out the date and I gave it to her saying `This will be yours then' . Looks like they got her on the way out (don't remember seeing him there then).

    I filled the back out telling them who the driver was,then found this site http://www.pepipoo.com/Speeding.htm but I had already sent the paperwork off.

    Anyway today she got a letter offering her either £60 and 3 points or a `Speed Awairness Course' costing £100 .

    So it's up to her... Road Angel with the laser thingy on it didn't see it, and it looks like he got her going away from him??.

    At least she will be able to keep points off her licence..

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    I wonder how they got her on the way out, do they have a camera facing the front as well as the rear I wonder. at least she has the choice to keep the points off her licence. But these camera vans do not spot the drunk drivers though.

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    My missus got caught whilst driving away from a camera van. i.e. didnt get caught until she went passed the van - but she never noticed it on the other side of the road...
    We know thats what happened as we went on their website and viewed the photographic evidence, and there we saw the rear end of her car.

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    They either have a camera pointing both ways, or they got her from behind?, the time on the letter was when we was going, we came back about a hour later..

    The discription of the offence says 200m north of a junction, and that is about the position of the van?.

    Like you say, they got her for doing 38 in a 30, but they don't get the drunks, i thought it was a TAX Van.

    She had 3 points on her licence 20 years ago 3 days after passing her test , tryed to outrun a police car, when she stopped she told him she was trying to get out of his way?, he was trying to stop her ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinman View Post
    `Speed Awairness Course' costing £100 .
    That's a result - but as far as I'm aware, they'll only offer it once! If you haven't learned when caught a second time, you have to take the points and contribute the £60 towards the purchase of another camera van

    The speed will be writted down as "-38mph" (for example) on the photo if you're driving away from the camera.

    Motorcyclists have a big advantage with camera vans - no front plate, so they can't be caught driving towards it. The driver/operator is usually too fat / lazy to scramble to the front of the van to take another picture!!! Noting the registration as it whizzes by will not get a prosecution - insufficient evidence.

    A friend of a friend was caught on his bike doing in excess of 180mph... he whizzed by the van... the driver knew he could land a big one, so noted the number plate as best he could... 2 days later, Notice of Intended Prosecution... he replied, saying it wasn't him, he wasn't there. They tried again, threatening letters, etc... so he rang his brief, who asked for the evidence (photo showing a bike going at 180mph) as well as a statement from the camera operator. The brief told the Police that there was no way the operator could have accurately noted the plate of the bike at that speed, and that there was no hard evidence of the numberplate. So... he got away with it. The bike was a derestricted Hayabusa (they can get over 200mph).

    Obviously can't say where this was, may not even have been in the UK. Might never have happened... ;-)
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    I believe that the timing between the two photos is such that anything that passes over 170mph will be out of range by the time the second photo is taken. I think Top Gear did an article about it.

    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by SignumPhil View Post
    I believe that the timing between the two photos is such that anything that passes over 170mph will be out of range by the time the second photo is taken. I think Top Gear did an article about it.

    Phil
    That's only on a Gatso / Truvelo. Scamera vans only need one picture (it's a laser speed gun, so your instantaneous speed is noted). Never too late to slow down, by the way - the operator may not have snapped you yet. Having said that, the range of the camera / laser guns is about 800m - he'll see you way before you see him... it just depends on when he takes the picture.

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    I use to have this fitted to the VXR
    www.lidatek.com

    Now don't get me wrong, this was not used to speed regardless, but to stop some stupid thing like above.

    Was she going mad in a 30 ... 36mph and up and you can be nicked !

    I am just thinking if I should re fit this to my new car, but can't make my mind up.

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    She was lucky to have the option of a speed awareness course (and no points) at 38mph.
    I got caught in Blackpool just over 3 years ago for doing 38mph and had to take the fine and the points - no other option. If I'd have been doing 36mph I'd have been offered a speed awareness course.
    They seems to be a lot of different rules from county to county. They make it up to suit themselves

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    Did you not think about going down the PACE witness statement route?.

    It's been well documented in Motorcycle News, and many people have had excellent results by using it.

    A quick resume, copied and pasted:-

    A simple letter using legal wording has opened up a new route to get speeding charges dropped, according to experts. The statement is at the centre of a high court appeal to be heard this summer. but for now police forces accross the country are dropping cases when it has been used. People accused of speeding have been simply been sending in the statement in response to NOTICES OF PROSECUTION (NIPS).

    Speed cameras rely on a law requiring you to say who was driving your car at the time of the alledged offence. Not saying who it was will lead to a charge of withholding information under section 172 of the road traffic act, While admitting to being the driver will lead to a fixed penalty for speeding.
    But another law says that before suspects are questioned about an offence they should receive a formal caution - and no caution is given when a speeding notice is delivered through the post.

    The standard statement below, is designed to accompany an admission to being the driver. It points out that, since no caution has been given, the admission cannot be used as evidence in court.

    Specialist road traffic lawyer Robert Dobson whos clients case is to be heard by the high court says " In English law there's a requirement that if a statement is going to be used against somebody, that person has to be cautioned under section 78 of the police and criminal evidence act. If a caution hasn't been given, then the argument runs that anything that's said cannot be used as evidence in court. We've complied with section 172 of the road traffic act by identifying the driver. But what we are saying is that we're not going to allow that information to be then used against us. Any charge under section 172 must fail as we have complied. And if any charge is brought for speeding we'll say how do you know who was driving?"

    The loophole letter called the PACE Witness Statement is a catch 22 for police and camera partnerships according to Dobson.

    Even though someone has admitted to being the driver, that admission can't be used against him as he didn't recieve a caution. If an officer then visits him to issue a caution then only statements after said caution can be used and the caution gives the right to silence.

    Forces have dropped cases all over the country. very few people who have used this letter have been convicted. The met and many more forces have not issued summons to anybody who has sent the statement back.

    Remember different forces reach different decisions and there is no guarrantee that a case will be dropped.

    THE PACE WITNESS STATEMENT

    If your car is snapped speeding you will be sent a notice of intended prosecution asking who was driving. If it was you and you want to respond with a PACE statement fill out the form by writing "Please see the attached" where it asks for details. Then attach a letter with the standard wording shown below.

    [INSERT THEIR REFERENCE NUMBER HERE]

    [INSERT YOUR REGISTRATION NUMBER HERE]

    DEAR CHIEF CONSTABLE.

    Further to the above Notice of Intended Prosecution, I confirm That the following individual was driving the above vehicle at the time of the alledged motoring offence.

    [INSERT ALL THE DETAILS ASKED FOR ON THE NIP HERE, INCLUDING NAME ADDRESS, DATE OF BIRTH AND DRIVER NUMBER]

    As this statement is provided under the threat of criminal penalty (funke v France) and as I have not received the caution required by paragraph 10.1 of PACE Code C (Mawdesley v the Chief Constable of Cheshire (2004) 1 All E.R.58 ), I make this statement on the express understanding that it shall not be used or disclosed in any proceedings of whatever nature against myself.

    Yours Sincerely

    [INSERT YOUR SIGNATURE HERE]

    [INSERT YOUR NAME IN PRINT HERE]


    Looks and sounds complicated but basically they can't use your details in court because noone said "you have the right to remain silent" and all that to you before they sent the letter out to you.

    This was in motorcycle news and can be found at www.pepipoo.com which is an anti speed camera campaigners website which is funding the high court appeal.
    More details and a letter template can be found here:-

    http://www.pepipoo.com/PACE_WS.php

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