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    Just had me thinking how the minds of car designers work, and the fact that the bumper requires removal (on CDTI SRI anyway) to just change a light bulb.

    Changing a bulb should be a basic necessity for home maintenance. I really don' think a 70 year old pensioner or would really be inclined to remove the bumper, they would have to book it into VX th have this done. Booking a car into the dealer is never an immediate thing either. So the car through no fault of the owner becomes illegal to drive effectively.

    Surely it would be a good idea to have some sort of practise put in place the required the manufacturers / designers of cars to provide the owner with the easy access to change bulbs and any other necessary 'home maintenance?.... like cars USED to be?....

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    Absolutely agree 100% !! In fact it would be good industry practice if they actually made the design teams actually do a basic service on the cars they design. It wouldn't make any difference straight away but gradually with new models things would improve. Not gonna happen though... way too sensible.

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    With the laws imposed on the driver, bulb outages are an endorsable offence so surely it must pass back to the tool who designed it in the first place! It's not practical say in the winter months to remove your bumper mid week in the wet if you don't have the luxury of a garage, therefore leaving your car illegal until the weekend when you can strip the front end.... assuming it's not pelting down all weekend that is.

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    I whole heartedly agree! Me and my old man have had this discussion many times, too many compromises are made to suit the "efficiency" or cost effective manufacture of modern cars, and home maintenance is forgotten about, partly due to ignorance, partly by design (so the dealers get servicing and repair contracts).

    For example, VW were hit with various complaints for one of their Golfs being so awkward to do a bulb change, they had to accept all bulb changes as warranty work as it could cost up to £200-£300 for to ths customer if they were charged. This was an example of a company being sensible and saying they will take the hit rather than the punters. Not all car companies would do this....

    Another example is the Smart Roadster, spark plug change = engine out of the car! Stupid!!

    bindex hits the nail on the head: "Not gonna happen though... way too sensible."

    Rant over lol
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    I did not need to take bumper off to change bulbs on vectra I fitted hid kit with bumper on

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    The Laguna sports 11 I had is the same, bumper off to change a headlamp bulb.

    Made in France where you have to carry a set of bulbs with you all the time, what good is that if it,s a good hours job to change the bulb during rush hour on a busy motorway in the pouring rain!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVIDD88 View Post
    I did not need to take bumper off to change bulbs on vectra I fitted hid kit with bumper on
    David I nearly commented on this as well, mine's been done a few times without taking anything off lol! But the headlamp unit needs to come out to change an indicator bulb!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chewy71 View Post
    With the laws imposed on the driver, bulb outages are an endorsable offence
    Fine only, no points
    However normally a VDRF would be issued, and only taken to court if you miss the 14 days deadline

    Sadly car design takes into account so many factors, so part replacement often is overlooked
    However the handbook does advise that all bulbs (tested under MoT) can be replaced by the owner
    Yes, it's not easy in the later Vectra C, but it is possible

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    Never changed indicator bulb lol I know on zafira there is an inspection panel in wheel arch to change indicator bulb

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    Quote Originally Posted by m8internet View Post
    Fine only, no points
    However normally a VDRF would be issued, and only taken to court if you miss the 14 days deadline

    Sadly car design takes into account so many factors, so part replacement often is overlooked
    However the handbook does advise that all bulbs (tested under MoT) can be replaced by the owner
    Yes, it's not easy in the later Vectra C, but it is possible
    Er not true, the handbook clearly states in mine for offside bulb replacement to 'book into workshop'

    and DAVIDD88, I think you've missed the point slightly, although I use my car as a reference ( I cannot get offside bulbs changed without removal of the bumper / headlight OR the full airbox), there are many other cars where this is also the case as mentioned above. Whether you yourself can do this, it is not simple and easy maintenance which should be designed in. Changing a bulb in my old fiat uno was a 2 minute job with access given to do so.

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