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    Cool Hybrid turbo ?

    Will someone explain this to me ? What is it ? How's it different to a standard turbo, what's the benefits on having one fitted..what gains could you expect...what's the price to buy one !!!! Cheers..

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    Anyone ?

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    Well turbo technics don't produce good products so I'd not read their bumf, know of three that blew up within miles of fitment and another that wouldn't spool until 2500rpm.

    The basics fall into two groups, more air in and less resistance on the exhaust.

    Compressors have to work the air to move it and this raises its temperature. The compressor has to spin to work & there is a limit to how fast it can go before being damaged. These are the limits on your air intake. By fitting different compressors, you can move more air at a lower rotational speed and with less working so at a lower temperature for the same volume of air moved. On the other hand, due to the difference in tips and weight of wheels, the speed at which the turbine can spool it up may change and the amount of pressure it can maintain at low rpm might be less.

    Turbines are like a combination of water wheels and wings using the inertia of the gas flow on the inducer and then the velocity to create a pressure difference on the exducer to maximise energy extraction. The turbine resists the air flow in order the extract energy, there fore resisting the expulsion of gas from the cylinders and slowing the engine. The smaller the wheel the better at extracting enegy from low gas flows and the earlier in the rpm range it will spool the turbo but at high rpm it will resist gas flow much more than a big wheel. A big wheel will spool later but then has a larger moment arm, so can extract energy with less resistance to flow.

    If you just want massive top end power, fit a big compressor and big turbine but you'll have nothing at low rpm. The idea is to find a balance to give something you are happy with, usually a blend of more torque and more power but not the maximum or either that could be extracted.

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    Well turbo technics don't produce good products so I'd not read their bumf, know of three that blew up within miles of fitment and another that wouldn't spool until 2500rpm.

    The basics fall into two groups, more air in and less resistance on the exhaust.

    Compressors have to work the air to move it and this raises its temperature. The compressor has to spin to work & there is a limit to how fast it can go before being damaged. These are the limits on your air intake. By fitting different compressors, you can move more air at a lower rotational speed and with less working so at a lower temperature for the same volume of air moved. On the other hand, due to the difference in tips and weight of wheels, the speed at which the turbine can spool it up may change and the amount of pressure it can maintain at low rpm might be less.

    Turbines are like a combination of water wheels and wings using the inertia of the gas flow on the inducer and then the velocity to create a pressure difference on the exducer to maximise energy extraction. The turbine resists the air flow in order the extract energy, there fore resisting the expulsion of gas from the cylinders and slowing the engine. The smaller the wheel the better at extracting enegy from low gas flows and the earlier in the rpm range it will spool the turbo but at high rpm it will resist gas flow much more than a big wheel. A big wheel will spool later but then has a larger moment arm, so can extract energy with less resistance to flow.

    If you just want massive top end power, fit a big compressor and big turbine but you'll have nothing at low rpm. The idea is to find a balance to give something you are happy with, usually a blend of more torque and more power but not the maximum or either that could be extracted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nutron View Post
    Well turbo technics don't produce good products so I'd not read their bumf, know of three that blew up within miles of fitment and another that wouldn't spool until 2500rpm.

    The basics fall into two groups, more air in and less resistance on the exhaust.

    Compressors have to work the air to move it and this raises its temperature. The compressor has to spin to work & there is a limit to how fast it can go before being damaged. These are the limits on your air intake. By fitting different compressors, you can move more air at a lower rotational speed and with less working so at a lower temperature for the same volume of air moved. On the other hand, due to the difference in tips and weight of wheels, the speed at which the turbine can spool it up may change and the amount of pressure it can maintain at low rpm might be less.

    Turbines are like a combination of water wheels and wings using the inertia of the gas flow on the inducer and then the velocity to create a pressure difference on the exducer to maximise energy extraction. The turbine resists the air flow in order the extract energy, there fore resisting the expulsion of gas from the cylinders and slowing the engine. The smaller the wheel the better at extracting enegy from low gas flows and the earlier in the rpm range it will spool the turbo but at high rpm it will resist gas flow much more than a big wheel. A big wheel will spool later but then has a larger moment arm, so can extract energy with less resistance to flow.

    If you just want massive top end power, fit a big compressor and big turbine but you'll have nothing at low rpm. The idea is to find a balance to give something you are happy with, usually a blend of more torque and more power but not the maximum or either that could be extracted.
    Cheers for the detailed reply mate...how much do you get hybrids for ?

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    Not much less than i sell them for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nutron View Post
    Not much less than i sell them for.
    How much do you sell them for mate, do you install them aswel if so how much supplied and fitted ,

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    No I don't fit them any more except to my own car.
    £480 plus the surcharge of £150.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nutron View Post
    No I don't fit them any more except to my own car.
    £480 plus the surcharge of £150.
    what base turbo do you use and what gains could you poss expect to see? im looking into purchasing one at the end of the month and your post has stopped me getting ****e from technics.... so thanks on that behalf

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