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    Hello everyone. I'm new to this forum so any help would be great. I currently own a vectra cdti 1.9 150bhp on a 58 plate. I have owned the car for 3 months and it's been in thegarage 8 times for a blue smoke on cold start up fault. First they tried 'Forte' injector cleaner. Didn't work. Next was glow plugs. Didn't cure it. Next was injectors and after 3 refurbishments. No luck so it went to my local vauxhall dealer. They diagnosed cylinder 3 injector. So that was replaced for a new one. But surprise surprise no luck. I still get a cloud of blue smoke on start up. It's under warranty from the dealer but as he went for a second opinion and fixed that part he sees the car as fixed. Can anyone please help with any info. Many thanks

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    Hi Will, Welcome to the Club, Sounds to me like it could be the the valve guide oil seals that are worn. They wear and allow a small amount of oil to bypass the seals and enter the cylinders, when you start the engine this oil burns off and gives off the smoke. Does the smoke clear after a few seconds?

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    Sounds daft - but is it definatly blue?
    Blue would signify oil - but a darker blue / black ish smoke will be just unburn Diesel and is common on most diesels on first start...

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    Hi and thanks for your reply. The smoke clears after about 10 seconds but varies daily. Yesterday it smoked for about 14 seconds but this morning it smoked for about 3 and was lighter than normal. Wasn't expecting a reply so soon

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    Hi and thank you for your reply any help I can get is great as its driving me bonkers. It is 100% blue. I've got videos but unsure if you can post them on here? It happens every day. I leave at 7am and it smokes. Get to work around half 7. It sits there till 5 and it smokes then also I'm losing faith in Vectras but I love them lol I've had nearly every model and they all have had faults. It's starting to think I should of learnt my lesson

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    We don't hang about on here lol. Sounds like the seals need replacing - its burning the small amount of oil that has got past the seal and then clears when burnt off. Might be worth going back to your garage and suggesting that - although its quite a common thing and I would have thought they would have picked up on.

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    So I see lol and when I took it back for the first time I suggested valve seels as u have a few mechanical friends but they were fixated on injectors. Is the valve seels an expensive job? I'm ringing him this morning at 9:15 to suggest it. It's not as if I can get another one either as the finance left on the car is higher than trade in value only after 3 months of ownership. This info is really helpful


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    Its a job I've not done on the Vectra - not sure if the cylinder head needs to come of or if they can be done from above with the head in place. I'm sure someone else who has done the job will tell us. Is it not worth calling in at another garage and just ask them for an opinion and then go back to the dealer. I appreciate what you say - but the dealer has not fixed the problem and its should be up to him to sort it. Might be worth having a quick word with your local Trading Standards Dept. if you get no joy from the seller.

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    Hi, 100000000000000000000000% guaranteed to be valve stem oil seals. Unfortunately, yes the head does need to be off so the valve collets are removed enabling the springs to be removed, then the seals can be accessed.
    Forte do a treatment that can bring seals back to life, it makes the seals pliable again and they swell slightly - hey presto, no oil smoke! The added advantage is that it treats all seals in the engine.
    NOTE :- this is only a temp fix and may only last 2-3 years.

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    oooh.. a treatment for it, i have that issue currently and wasnt looking forward to taking the head off.... will try to google for the correct treatment
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