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    Was planning on selling this two weeks ago, but having just spent another £730 on it in the last two weeks , I'm starting to think I'm now tied into it for the long-run. Story as follows...

    55 plate 150 CDTi 131K miles

    88K DMF and clutch, June 2010
    100K Cambelt, tie rods, anti-rollbar arms, Dec 2010
    120K New front springs, Jan 2012
    125K New CIM, April 2012
    127K wiper linkage, aircon condensor, May 2012
    131K alternator, June 2012

    I do between 20K and 30K miles per year and this car has cost me about £5,000 in servicing and repairs (not including tyres) in the last 2 years. In theory it could now keep going without costing me a penny for the next few years, but I'm not sure that's realistic, particularly after reading stories about inlet manifolds/swirlbars, EGR valves, etc...

    Talk me out of buying a 10 year old Merc E class estate.

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    Well your mileage should prevent the EGR clogging up so that should be ok.
    My worry would be Swirlbar but I would have expected that to have gone well before now so you could be ok.
    The other thing I would be looking at is shocks as I would have expected these to be well worn by now at 131k

    I think the only thing I can say is to take the servicing costs out of your equation as this applies to whatever car you own.

    How do you get to £5k anyways?
    Clutch and DMF £750
    CIM £180 inc fitting
    Springs all round fitted £250 if you use Eibachs
    Wiper linkage £50 max
    Alternator £500 tops, i would have thought less?
    Air con rad £200 fitted maybe
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    How do you get to £5k ?

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    Good question. I was a silly boy and went to a VX independent. Labour was £80 per hour and parts were VX prices. I got a 20% discount parts and labour, but will be finding a local mechanic in future.

    DMF was £1400. That wasn't VX, but the garage had all sorts of problems.

    The £5K does include some servicing I must confess...
    Service, cambelt, front brakes, tie rods, anit-rollbars, fog light: £950
    Service, MOT, front springs: £500
    CIM £300
    Wiper linkage: £130 fitted.
    Condensor and aircon recharge, plus new pipe that split when they recharged it: £370
    Alternator: £360 fitted at a local garage in Wales as I broke down on my hols two days ago. Back in Berkshire now as the weather's abysmal.

    Oh hang on, that only comes to £4K. I've also spent about £700 on tyres since then as well, but I won't count that so not incuding standard services and "wear and tear" parts, it's probably cost an additional £3K over 2 years in repairs only.

    This year has so far cost about £3.5k to keep it on the road, including service, MOT, repairs, insurance, tyres, fuel, tax.

    Motoring's ****** expensive!
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    this is normally price list

    think the Z19DTH is a great engine for a vectra or signum, but like many engines these days there are some inherent faults that can raise their ugly head earlier than expected, partly due to design faults, and sometimes exacerbated by certain styles of driving.

    Let us not forget that 150bhp was pushing the limits of a production 1.9 diesel when first released - how many sub-2.0 diesels could you find 10 years ago with this much power??

    Now, down to the nitty gritty regarding common faults:

    1. Injector #3 wiring loom: This is a blatent design fault, Good news is it's cheap to fix, especially if you DIY.

    2. Throttle body: A manufacturing fault sometimes causes a solder joint to break. Easily and cheaply fixed with a soldering iron and some solder - usually no need to buy a new one.

    3. EGR valve: This can sometimes get clagged up and cause problems at 60-80k miles, maybe sooner if used on a lot of short journeys or around town. Usually cleaning fixes it, but sometimes a new one is required. This problem affects many modern diesels and is inflicted by EU emission regs. I don't consider this to be vauxhall's fault.100 pounds

    4. Intake manifold/swirl valves: Swirl valve bearings wear out at around 80-100k. Crap design, blame vauxhall entirely for this one. Only solution is to fit a complete new one. Not an easy DIY job, so expect to pay a garage around £700 for this.

    5. Dual Mass Flywheel: Usually knackered by 100k miles, maybe sooner if abused (harsh gear changes, stalling, etc). I'm in the same camp as many others on this forum - this has to be considered a very expensive service item as the same problem seems to afflict most car manufacturers. Not an easy DIY job, so expect to pay a garage around £650.00

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    Ok so it seems that there has been a bit of an over payment on some of the things you have had done, cannot be helped as not all of us can do DIY. Luckily I can so it does help to keep costs down. We have a Vectra and a Signum 1.9CDTi's both with over 150k on them which have had most of the things done that normally go so we are looking at running them into the ground and then scrapping them. Hopefully we can get another 100k out of each without too many issues.

    The Merc I would have thought would be a step up from the Vectra refinement wise but as with any new car you still might end up with issues and it will cost you more fixing a Merc than a Vectra.
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    you didnt mention if you have trouble with the injection no.3 on the CDTI engine

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    Not noticed anything wrong with it so far. What should I look out for? Think I'll keep it now seeing as I've 'invested' so much in it. If I can get another 100K out of it I'll be happy. I'll probably start sevicing it myself now. Used to on my older cars. I'll keep coming back here for hints and tips (and maybe a few mods... ).

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    I think the prob is you get tied into a car after doing so much work, and sometimes it better the devil you know. I toyed with selling mine then the turbo blew so I got a new one now I'm think as thats guranteed for a year I have to keep it at least another year lol and so it begins!

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