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    Default I have made my own hydrogen fuel cell.. I'm also thinking about going with water methanol. What's your thoughts on either?

    As above. Thoughts please.

    It is estimated that I can pick up an extra 25-30bhp running water methanol.
    I'm not too sure what can be had running with a fuel cell introducing some hydrogen to the mix can only be good.....Or can it?
    I know water methanol cools egt's maybe introducing hydrogen mightincrease it? (Not good)

    I made my own fuel cell tonight It's easy I got a nice bit of hydrogen and a nice little bang when lit in no time.

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    Default My two penneth worth

    Personally....PEMFC membranes that are durable and can operate at temperatures greater than 100 degrees Celsius and still function at sub-zero ambient temperatures. A 100 degrees Celsius temperature target is required in order for a fuel cell to have a higher tolerance to impurities in fuel. Because you start and stop a car relatively frequently, it is important for the membrane to remain stable under cycling conditions. Currently membranes tend to degrade while fuel cells cycle on and off, particularly as operating temperatures rise.
    Thats were I stand on the subject but shoot me down.......

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    You'll only get a benefit on a petrol engine with hydrogen (but only if metered safely).

    Your Derv will not like it one bit

    In terms of water/meth injection, i've heard varying results, but, Nitrous might be a laugh 5th Gear did it on a golf TDI and it was impressive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toe-side View Post
    Personally....PEMFC membranes that are durable and can operate at temperatures greater than 100 degrees Celsius and still function at sub-zero ambient temperatures. A 100 degrees Celsius temperature target is required in order for a fuel cell to have a higher tolerance to impurities in fuel. Because you start and stop a car relatively frequently, it is important for the membrane to remain stable under cycling conditions. Currently membranes tend to degrade while fuel cells cycle on and off, particularly as operating temperatures rise.
    Thats were I stand on the subject but shoot me down.......
    The fuel cell I'm looking at runs at 57 Celsius thus not boiling the water. I'm not running a steam engine lol. Its the hydrogen Im after it's a product of electrolysis via the electrolyte. (Distilled water in this case)
    I'm not 100% on the running pros n cons on this though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDerv View Post
    You'll only get a benefit on a petrol engine with hydrogen (but only if metered safely).

    Your Derv will not like it one bit

    In terms of water/meth injection, i've heard varying results, but, Nitrous might be a laugh 5th Gear did it on a golf TDI and it was impressive!
    I am seriously looking into the water meth option

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    Sorry DTI-steve I was pulling your leg.............cut and paste from wiki. It sounded pretty impressive though?
    For me the whole concept of hydrogen is be very careful! The explosive range of hydrogen means that purging and great care when maintaining H2 systems. The possible prospect of Hydrogen being dispensed at 'petrol stations' in the future scares the hell out of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toe-side View Post
    Sorry DTI-steve I was pulling your leg.............cut and paste from wiki. It sounded pretty impressive though?
    For me the whole concept of hydrogen is be very careful! The explosive range of hydrogen means that purging and great care when maintaining H2 systems. The possible prospect of Hydrogen being dispensed at 'petrol stations' in the future scares the hell out of me.
    LOL
    I don't think the hydrogen option is the way to go.....I was just messing about in the garage.....Its soooo easy to get an explosive substance just out of water Its frightening. Hydrogen and oxygen.

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    And we drink the stuff!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDerv View Post
    And we drink the stuff!!

    Farts and other windy events explained.......

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    Cant you do LPG injection in to a diesel? It mixes with the diesel and gives a better burn and more mpg?

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