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    Default will hid's be illegal yes or no!?

    Ive heard mixed messages, so whats the score? Some say if the hids are behind projector balls then they will be fine, and some say hids will be illegal fullstop. And others say unless they are factory and have washer jets! So what is the score in summary??

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    Yes m8 wish I was talking nonsense though.

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    welcome to the new minefield. . . . . . . .

    Unless they came as OE, I would be

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    http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...3-lighting.pdf
    Clearly (unless that 2011 document^ is obsolete) - MOT failures for HID kits are coming, but when it'll be fully enforced by police/mot stations is not certain. Next year, year after..? Who knows
    Currently there are different rules regarding xenon headlights for new saloon cars and "modified" cars with HIDs. New cars with xenon lamps must meet "type approval", this includes headlamp wash and self levelling for saloon cars; a requirement that's been there for quite some time. Many cars will be exempt from this requirement -- "high performance vehicles fitted with HID headlamps that have barely any luggage space and stiff suspension do not require a self-levelling system" (as it says in document VOSA/PSP/2167C/MARCH11) obviously those don't need to meet this requirement. ^That is what the confusion about the statement in the latest MOT manual is about. The two documents aren't contradictory.

    However: "Where headlamp levelling or cleaning devices are missing or defective, but there is doubt as to whether they are required, the benefit of the doubt should be given and an advisory notice issued (VOSA 2011)"
    -- now this clause could result in a lot of cars passing when perhaps they shouldn't. That's a loophole, so in the vectra (which has the correct type of headlamp minus the self levelling) it's possible that you could be lucky.
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    can be argued that the standard pre facelift head lights are xenon fit anyway. They were always illegal anyway really it's just that now the government has decided to catch you out if you have them.

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    The new and upcoming law on this is an ass.

    The only cars they should be banning the use of HIDs are headlights that don't have projector lenses fitted.

    Yet again it's the small minority of boy racer idiots with their chavi Saxo's, Corsa's, etc who fit the wrong type of HID bulb and go around blinding everyone.

    There is an idiot taxi driver in Oxford with a London cab style of Taxi (is it a TX1?). Anyway, got standard lenses with HIDs fitted. Blinds everyone in the opposite direction to him. I've mentioned it to the police several times, they just ignore him. I've phoned the company whose name is advertised on the door. Got ignored again. And there was me thinking that taxis had regular inspections to make sure they comply with the law.

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    Jow20 sorry bud but this has been covered on sooooo many threads now. Basically any headlight not designed for HID's and/or not fitted with a washer system and/or not fitted with an automatic levelling is illegal already and come march will(should) automatically fail an MOT. So if fitted to a projector headlight like on the Vec C but without headlight washers or an automatic levelling system it will(should) fail the MOT. I keep saying "should" because its basically down to the individual MOT tester. This new law on Aftermarket HID's is really to try to stop the numpties who fit them (like big dave says) to reflector headlights and blind everyone as they drive down the road while thinking they are cool.

    To Big Dave have you thought about complaining to the council as its the council that actually licence the taxi's. I'm sure the loss of his operators badge will make him sit up and take notice.

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    if there in the projector light and are set up correctly and beam pattern is ok with auto or manual levellers then they should be fine ,if there in non projector headlights then they will fail unless the beam pattern is set properly and theres a washer system and self levelling system thats what i learnt at the mot station i work for
    but it boils down to how picky the tester will be when the new rules come into force

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    They will fail if there is no headlight wash system and auto levelling system fitted. If an MOT tester passes them and vosa walk through the door for a spot check retest then the garage and tester are risking there livelihood from MOT's.

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