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    need some help, im 23 (24 MAY) been driving for 6 years, father in law owns his own mini bus company and does school runs and takes OAP's outs

    hes asked me to help him some nights to drive a 16 seater but i always thought i couldnt drive them so dont help him but on the direct gov web site it says this.

    so does that mean i can drive one? because i wont be getting paid,

    You may be allowed to drive a minibus if it is not used for hire or reward. Hire or reward generally means any payment in cash or kind made by or on behalf of passengers that gives them right to be carried in a vehicle.

    Exempted passenger carrying vehicles

    Holders of a full category B (car) driving licence may drive any of the vehicles listed below:
    • a passenger carrying vehicle manufactured more than 30 years before the date when it is driven and not used for hire or reward or for the carriage of more than 8 passengers
    • a minibus with up to 16 passenger seats provided the following conditions are met:


    i. the vehicle is used for social purposes by a non-commercial body but not for hire or reward
    ii. the driver is aged 21 iii. the driver has held a car (category B) licence for at least 2 years
    iv. the driver is providing the service on a voluntary basis
    v. the minibus maximum weight is not more than 3.5 tonnes or 4.25 tonnes including any specialist equipment for the carriage of disabled passengers
    vi. if the driver is aged 70 or over, is able to meet the health standards for driving a D1 vehicle
    When driving a minibus under these conditions you may not receive any payment or consideration for doing so other than out of pocket expenses or tow any size trailer; you may only drive minibuses in this country. Drivers aged 70 or over will need to make a special application, which involves meeting higher medical standards.
    Holders of a full category D (PCV) driving licence can also drive a passenger carrying recovery vehicle. This is defined as a vehicle (not being an articulated goods vehicle combination) which:
    • has an unladen weight not exceeding 10.2 tonnes
    • is being operated by the holder of a public service vehicle (PSV) operator's licence and, is being used for the purpose of:


    i. proceeding to, or returning from, a place where assistance is to be, or has been, given to a damaged or disabled passenger-carrying vehicle
    ii. giving assistance to or moving a disabled passenger-carrying vehicle or moving a damaged vehicle

    Minimum age

    Drivers of exempted passenger carrying vehicles and any vehicle, which weighs more than 7.5 tonnes can be driven from the age of 21 years.

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    dont you need a psv licence to drive 16 seater mini bus? not sure to be honest, hope you find out mate..

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    You may not be getting paid, but is the company? if they are then it could be a bit of a grey area in my eyes. I mean, could the law see payment in any other form than monies?
    Now I need a turbo to keep up!

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    i know its confusing, so i guess i can use the 16 seater to take family out? or use it to pick items up that are to big to fit in th car, personal use?

    because also im thinking about getting a moped just for work and would use the van to collect it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Sig View Post
    You may not be getting paid, but is the company? if they are then it could be a bit of a grey area in my eyes. I mean, could the law see payment in any other form than monies?

    thats true father in law would be getting paid for job so its a no, how about me using the van/minibus for myself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris1804 View Post
    thats true father in law would be getting paid for job so its a no, how about me using the van/minibus for myself?
    As long as there is no payment it looks ok to me, but i could be wrong.
    Now I need a turbo to keep up!

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    yeah it says in conditions to be met are 'for social purpses by a non-commercial body' - helping your dad would fall outside of this condition

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    If anyone involved with the minibus is receiving payment even if its its not the driver then its a no no. Im lucky to have a pcv so not an issue for me but if you dont have a pcv licence then you cant drive the vehicle for any financial gain, you or the company. I used to to do this and if your just running your mates around then its fine as long as you dont break any weight restrictions etc but most private night out runs are for money so im sure its not allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chewy71 View Post
    yeah it says in conditions to be met are 'for social purpses by a non-commercial body' - helping your dad would fall outside of this condition
    Agree'd.

    You need a PSV licence to drive your dad's mini bus, if there was an accident and people were injured there would be no insurance cover.

    BTW do you have Category D1 on the list of vehicles on the back of your licence? I was under the impression that you had to sit a different test to be allowed to drive a 16 seater mini bus, even on a non commercial basis. I thought they changed that back in 1997.
    Last edited by Das; 26th January 2011 at 17:11.

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    Whether you are paid or unpaid, the minibus is being used for commercial purposes
    You therefore need the correct driving licence type

    Equally, as a minibus company the owner should be aware of the driving licence requirements
    However, I suspect he has an old paper licence which would allow him to do so, on Category D1

    If the old paper licence has been replaced and a "new" style one issued then those categories may have been removed!

    A PCV licence, Category D, is not required

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