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    hi,having a bit of a debate with a friend,will red diesel damage your car???(not that i would be using it )ive been told that its the same as what you would buy on the forecourt only with a red die in it,hard to imagine if it would if the use in in diggers etc which are very expensive,altough i know customs dont take to kindly to it,(would get less punishment for murder now days )please help me put this on to sleep,many thanks

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    only difference is the red dye, yes it will damage your car if tax man gets old of you, it wil be straight to the crusher, along with you straight to court with a massive fine to re-coup tax losses by you using tax free fuel. the amount they fine you is normally a lot more than the tax you will of saved as well

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    I work in plant hire and i buy in red diesel at just over £0.50 per litre at the moment. But i can remember back in the day when it was £0.10 per litre. And yes it is only red dye added to normal derv.

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    Wish i could get kerosine that cheap and the closest that get to the ground is in my heating tank lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjw View Post
    it will damage your car if tax man gets old of you, it wil be straight to the crusher, along with you straight to court with a massive fine to re-coup tax losses by you using tax free fuel. the amount they fine you is normally a lot more than the tax you will of saved as well
    Thankfully this is not the case, the car will not be taken away and crushed, it is just an unpaid tax
    The court will normally enforce the unpaid taxes, plus interest, plus costs, plus a fine
    However, this is very difficult for Customs & Excise to enforce, as they can only base the prosecution based on the fuel in the tank, unless they have evidence of continual use over time

    DERV has a white dye added to it
    This is an attempt to diferentiate it from Kerosene which has a blue colour

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    Quote Originally Posted by m8internet View Post
    Thankfully this is not the case, the car will not be taken away and crushed, it is just an unpaid tax
    The court will normally enforce the unpaid taxes, plus interest, plus costs, plus a fine
    However, this is very difficult for Customs & Excise to enforce, as they can only base the prosecution based on the fuel in the tank, unless they have evidence of continual use over time

    DERV has a white dye added to it
    This is an attempt to diferentiate it from Kerosene which has a blue colour
    Wasn't Kerosene used in tractors in bygone days, think they started them on petrol and once they were hot they switched over to kerosene?
    Think was also used on heavy earth moving plant?

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    Taken from C&E website

    5.1 Offences and penalties
    Offences

    You may be liable to -


    If you:
    misuse or supply oil (other than fully duty paid fuel) for use as fuel in a road vehicle
    misuse or supply rebated kerosene for use to propel an excepted vehicle or as fuel in an engine (other than to provide heating) or
    mix any rebated or duty free oil with any oil on which no rebate has been allowed.

    civil penalties under Section 9 of the Finance Act 1994 or an Excise wrongdoing penalty under Schedule 41 of Finance Act 2008.
    your vehicle (or engine) being seized and forfeited.
    if your conduct involves dishonesty, a penalty of up to 100% of the duty evaded may be imposed.


    If you:
    remove any designated chemical marker of dye from any fuel or
    add any substance to the fuel to prevent the chemical marker from being identified.

    an Excise wrongdoing penalty under Schedule 41 of Finance Act 2008.
    the goods and oil may be seized and forfeited.


    If you obstruct one of our officers inspecting premises or vehicles or testing or sampling oil.
    an unlimited fine or imprisonment for up to two years, or both.

    In the more serious cases involving dishonesty criminal action may be taken, and the offender can be fined an unlimited amount or imprisoned for up to seven years, or both.

    Better off using veggie oil

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    i believe most damage is caused if you are using red diesel that has had the dye removed. Basic process involves using filtration materials and sulphuric acid to mask the marker dye, but unfortunately, it is the acid damages the engine / injectors.

    The golden rule is to always buy your fuel from reputable forecourts. There have been cases where smaller independants have purchased supplies cheaply from a fuel launderer only to find that the fuel was cheap for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kabooboo View Post
    i believe most damage is caused if you are using red diesel that has had the dye removed. Basic process involves using filtration materials and sulphuric acid to mask the marker dye, but unfortunately, it is the acid damages the engine / injectors.

    The golden rule is to always buy your fuel from reputable forecourts. There have been cases where smaller independants have purchased supplies cheaply from a fuel launderer only to find that the fuel was cheap for a reason.
    yes,ive heard of places adding home heating oil to it which doesnt lubercate the pump as much as it would like hence why fuel pumps are going...

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    the problem with "red" is the type of people that sell it and where it is stored that normally leads to problems not with the fuel but the contaminats that get into it ...there was a roumer they were going to stop doing red and let every one use "white" and people that are legally ok to use the old "red" could claim the duty back....

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