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    Default RR day at Track 'n' Road Powerformance (including results)

    Well, what a great day - if not a long day!! Left home at just after 8am and got back just before midnight!!!

    Firstly, thanks to everyone for turning up yesterday - good to see you all and there were a few apprehensive faces of ones who hadn't had their cars strapped to a set of rollers!!

    After all meeting up at Thurrock Services, we all convoyed in to Track 'n' Road. As in the original thread, this is a place that I'd been to before as the guys here are absolutely spot on. Both the Steve's have been tuning cars for over 30 years each (they tune racing cars and are even involved with car manufacturers in some of their work - mainly Ford). Their rolling road is also very, very accurate. Not only this, it's not just a case (like some other places) of strap the car on, do the run, give you a print out and next please. They stand with you and go through your printout explaining exactly what your car is doing, how it's running etc. etc. I know a few of the guys who had been on RR days before were extremely impressed with the time they gave and their huge breadth of knowledge.

    Anyway, onto the results - grouped into auto and manuals - and by the order that they ran in.

    Manual cars

    Paul (Trophy Blue)

    Car - Signum 2.0T
    Vx standard specs - 172.5bhp and 195lbft
    Engine mods - none, standard car
    Expected bhp and torque - Around 175bhp and 195lbft
    Actual - 181bhp and 208lbft


    Duncan

    Car - Signum 2.0T
    Vx standard specs - 172.5bhp and 195lbft
    Engine mods - BSR PPC Stage 1 remap
    Expected bhp and torque - 210/212bhp and 230/235lbft
    Actual - 217bhp and 249lbft

    Harry

    Car - Vectra 3.0V6 CDTi
    Vx standard specs - 174.5bhp and 273lbft
    Engine mods - Powerclick CRD box + K&N panel filter
    Expected bhp and torque - 200/205 and 350lbft
    Actual - 189bhp and 330lbft

    Dean (Plasma)

    Car - Vectra 1.9 CDTi (150)
    Vx standard specs - 148bhp and 232lbft
    Engine mods - 888 remap
    Expected bhp and torque - 195bhp and not sure on torque
    Actual - 186bhp and 299lbft

    Auto cars

    Mark (GSi3.2)

    Car - Vectra 3.2V6
    Vx standard specs - 208bhp and 221lbft
    Engine mods - ChippedUK remap + K&N panel filter
    Expected bhp and torque - 210/212bhp and 195lbft
    Actual - 205bhp and 200lbft

    Mark (Cabby)

    Car - Vectra 3.0V6 CDTi
    Vx standard specs - 174.5bhp and 243lbft (auto)
    Engine mods - TorquingBHP remap + K&N panel filter
    Expected bhp and torque - 215bhp and 295lbft
    Actual - 180bhp and 330lbft

    Martin (Green Growler)

    Car - Vectra 2.2 DTi
    Vx standard specs - 123bhp and 206lbft
    Engine mods - Hardwired digital box + K&N panel filter
    Expected bhp and torque - 150bhp and unsure on torque
    Actual - 130bhp and 214lbft

    I think most people were happy with the results.

    Some of the autos were probably a bit down on their real figures as Steve had to avoid pushing the throttle pedal past a certain point otherwise the car would kick down a gear.

    Green Growler basically got standard results even with a box fitted, so it looks like it's not doing anything. I think he's off to have a fiddle with it!
    Cabby was over the moon with his torque graph - and it is a beatifully flat one as well!
    GSi3.2 thinks there are some issues with his remap as his run showed the car was massively overfuelling, so he'll be hopefully sorting that out soon enough.

    Mark and I had dropped off our better halves at Lakeside for them to go mad with a bit of retail therapy. So after picking them up the day was ended ended very nicely by us going off for a meal and being joined by Plasma! Yes folks, he was true to form!

    So thanks again to everyone for coming, and to the two Steves for their time and expertise, nd now that Mark has become RO for the region it'll be in his capable hands to organise any other RR days in the region.

    I'll pop my graph up in a sec and some pics in another thread.

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    sounds like agood day was had but im now thinking remaps are not without problems aswell as tuning boxes though i am keen to get a remap done on mine soon

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    Yep, I've been fiddling away today, I'll be honest and say that when I fitted my box, I basically put the wires where instructed to do so with out checking (on a meter) what the connections where getting.
    Turns out the connection at my throttle pedal expects to see between 0.35v and 5v, where it is actually getting 0.49v to 2.04v.
    As you can see the voltage at full throttle is less than half what it is expected to be, this means that the box will not know I am at full throttle, ever, and will not kick in as it should. So thankfully not a fault with the box, or the wiring really.
    I suspect, that may be my throttle is different (it's drive by wire) to previous customers cars, as mine is an auto, and will no doubt have a kick down feed in there somewhere. Having been over my throttle switch with a fine toothcomb I actually suspect it may be an entirely different design to that of the manual throttle, but that's just my theory.
    I have improved things today, and I am now managing just (only just) over 4v, so it is better, certainly feels like it is kicking in now, but still not at 100% yet, work in progress.
    Now I need another bl00dy rolling road day to prove it works, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vectrapogo
    sounds like agood day was had but im now thinking remaps are not without problems aswell as tuning boxes though i am keen to get a remap done on mine soon
    Pogo - it really is down to the quality, type and exactly how the remap is done.

    The graphs showed that mine, Cabby's and Plasma's remaps were performing very nicely with no concerns. From a personal point, my BSR remap has been in the car since Feb 2005 without one single hitch whatsover. It's a highly, highly rated product by a Swedish company who spend a huge amount of money on research and development and actually develop their own maps by getting the cars themselves and mapping for the best on the road performance and driveability. Plasma and Cabby's also seem to be running very nicely. Without going into a huge amount of technical detail, it's down to how the maps are done. I hope that kinda answers your question as I'm trying to avoid this thread turning into a remap thread.

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    I've had a chat with the Mrs last night (cos my leave pass expired at 1700 hrs)

    And its been decided that a new 2.8T Signum is out of the question. But she says I can do pretty much anything I want to the one I own. so let the mods begin

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    Excellent!! So when ya ordering the BSR remap then?!

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    Right, here's my graph from the day......



    I'm very happy with how my car is running - nice bhp and torque graphs. Fuelling is good and turbo pressure is fine.

    I had my car at the same place just under a year ago and had 212bhp and 232lbft. This time I got 217bhp and 249lbft - an increase of 5bhp and, more importantly, 17 lbft!!

    As I have done nothing (engine wise) to the car since then, I was wondering how this could be. Steve mentioned that I was also running with 2psi more of boost pressure than before. Then it dawned on me. After I had the recent problems with my turbo cutting out, this was traced (by a fault code) to a faulty boost pressure sensor which was replaced. It's obvious that even last year, before I was aware of it, the boost pressure sensor was amiss and the new sensor has sorted things out and is now letting the turbo run at it's full boost.

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    A lot of those figures seem to be down D compared to what they should be some disapointing i would have thought,a few issues to sort i would imagine.

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    i'd just like to reiterate what Duncan said regarding the effort on the two Steve's parts. They spent a very long after each run explaining and talking through the results.

    These guys are hugely clued up on what they do. And even though the day kicked off late (circumstances beyond their control), the fact that they were so willing to get involved with each run made up for it ten times over.

    I'll scan my graphs tomorrow hopefully and post them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by payney
    A lot of those figures seem to be down D compared to what they should be some disapointing i would have thought,a few issues to sort i would imagine.
    Some were lower - but as mentioned the autos couldn't go full whack or they kick down. GG's was basically standard figures and he's deduced that his box isn't doing anything.

    Minea and Trophy Blues were spot on and I'm not sure what the other guys felt. Some of the expected figures were indeed higher than the actual, but I don't know what the expected figures were based on. Whether it was a previous RR day or just what they felt it should be.

    Hopefully the other guys will post up with their thoughts of the day and their figures.

    Edit: Just seen Harry's post!

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