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    Eek i cant believe it

    as some may have read, i have purchased a new manifold and actuator. i went to 2 garages on good recomendation this morning that they would be able to do it, and guess what, neither want to touch the job because of the fuel pump and the "special vauxhall key" for the fuel pump or something. also something about the setting up of the pump after

    how have people done it on here?

    so the last one gave a number for a diesel specialist called diesco and they said they had done an astra the other day. so he called the technician and he said 4hr job, vx wanted £390 and diesco have quoted me £200 +vat £35 so £235
    but considering having flywheel done for £700 and buying the manifold and motor for £260 i am seriously down about the car now, its crazy.
    is there no one near me who can do the job for better price lol?

    cant understand why they think its such a horrible job, these are garages but wouldnt even quote it

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    yeah its quite an involved job i think mate. the garage that done mine had to get his mate who worked in Vauxhall in to help him to do it. cost about £600 inc parts & labour. i was lucky & had it done on my lifetime warranty.

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    I've just done the job (Z19DTH) and it is a bit of a pig - BUT Haynes states the cambelt has to come off. It does NOT, there are two threaded holes under the fuel pump pulley and effectively you lock it in place by threading two bolts into these holes, the cam belt timing is locked and does not alter.
    Haynes says lift the fuel pump away - oh yes - I had to modify a small 3" puller to get the fuel pump off the taper and really tighten.
    FWIW the fuel pump does not need timing anyway as it is merely a high pressure pump, the timing is done electrically at the injectors.

    The best tools are a large mirror and magnetic pickup tool. Much of what you have to do can't be seen as it opposite the bulkhead. Second time (!?) I'd do it far quicker......4 hours is good time, Vauxhall state 3.2 hours that is really quick and I can see they would not want to do it for that amount of time allocated.
    The £200 is a good price IMHO.



    Just some of the cables and hoses around the back.....

    Last edited by mozzer99; 23rd June 2010 at 16:55. Reason: add photo

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    Is that the inside of the intake manifold with all that carp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushy View Post
    Is that the inside of the intake manifold with all that carp?
    Yes that's the swirl port 'flap'. More important than the 'carp' is that the spindle is completely worn to the extent that it is just about to snap off (the top should be flush with the manifold) - or at least come completely loose. Turbo pressure is leaking badly through these failed/worn swirl flaps/spindles/vanes (not quite sure what the correct term is for one of these).
    I note that Pierburg who make them blame everything except the construction for these problems. Quite how a rotating bit of plastic in an alloy housing that is part fed hot exhaust gas would NOT wear is beyond me.

    The new one doesn't have a 'throttle butterfly' assembly but a solid vane of plastic.

    These swirl flaps only operate when throttle is significantly varied from part or low throttle to full power. So I suppose a high mileage on the motorway could see little wear, but an around town low mileage could be knackered very quickly?

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    hi mate had it done for £120 . he had it for the day

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee324uk View Post
    hi mate had it done for £120 . he had it for the day
    Great price!
    I suppose £120 for a days work is good for a private individual (not paying tax etc?). But I'd have thought that even the cheapest garage rates would amount to 4 hours at £50 per hour these days?

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    any improvement on the performance after you had fixed yours and to those to have had it done? many thanks mozzer99 those pics just confirm the movement that my valves have too, maybe not quite as bad but not far off

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    £200 is a really good price tbh, I paid twice that a few months ago...



    *EDIT* Oh and the difference in performance after it was done was incredible...
    Last edited by Telly Addict; 24th June 2010 at 09:58. Reason: Added extra point

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    so if the belt dosent have to come of how do you get to the bolt thats behind the pump the last one on the manifold without removing the pump and belt

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