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    Default Flexi Servicing?

    Does anyone know for sure how this works?

    Does the car just log up a default milage to say it needs a service, or does the car have oil sensors to monitor the condition of the oil?

    Thx in advance.

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    On ECO-Flex the car will monitor how it's being driven. I don't know exactly what sensors are involved but there are a number of things monitored as far as I am aware.

    if you drive it hard, lots of short journeys the service light will come up before the 20,000 miles have passed. If you drive it real carefully, you'll get to the 20,000 then it will want a service - not that I would ever leave my oil in for 20,000 miles. I do extra interim changes and then have the car serviced when it tells me it needs it (ECO-Flex). That way the car is being serviced when it needs to be, but with extra oil changes along the way.

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    I'm gonna do my own top up servicing as well Dunc, gonna use 10/40 semi, I dont care if they reckon 5/30 will last that distance, personally i dont, the oil gets full of carbons and other pollutants whatever grade it is, so I guess the whole thing is a guess by the look of it, back to 10k max and 6k if I can get the time.

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    Sorry guys, but what do you folks know about oil that the car makers don't? Why do you not think it will last, even though GM say it does, have validated this, and warrant it???

    I don't understand. I leave mine until the light comes on, but use the long life oil. No issues at all.

    Distance is only one criteria to change oil, and is not as significant as others. There is a list some where and also details what happens to oil over time and use. I work for a commercial diesel engine manufacturer, in engineering.
    So, where's your evidence???

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    Don't need 'evidence' Ste. I don't think leaving oil in a car for 2 years does it any good - doesn't matter what the manufacturers say. Personal opinion.

    The 20,000/2 year ECOFlexservice schedule on the Vec C was to attract fleet buyers. Interesting that Vx changed it to 20,000/12 months later on!

    For the cost of an oil filter and some oil, I'll still be doing my own interim oil changes. Keep everything nice and clean!

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    My only evidence is usage evidence and finger testing, I'll explain


    Usage, I've seen engines driven hard as taxis last 350k having had 5k oil changes, I've also seen a lot of bung some cheap oil in whenever and the engine is hanging before 100k, also there is as dunc says the gunk issue, run dirty oil and you will cause other components to reduce efficiency.

    Finger test, next time you do an oil change, put two fingers in the old oil and rub them together, you will feel it's thinness and probably some particles which your fingers will detect, like small grit.

    As Duncan has said, it's personal opinion, but oil is a lubricant and it degrades not only with use but time also, and for my reckoning 20k is too long at the temp and scraping it gets.

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    I to am of the opinion that oil is best changed every 5 months or so,i tend to do an oil change after the winter months so the oil that has been subject to a lot of colder engine running is out of the system ready for the warmer conditions

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    whoa there Ste, changing the oil can only be good for the engine. If your preference is to leave it in for 20K then go right ahead.

    My choice for the Vectra will be itro 10K per oil change, but working to the Vx service requirements for full servicing (i.e when it tells me it needs a service)

    My other car gets oil changes at approx 3K mile intervals regardless of quality of oil (Fully Synth and 8 litres per change) as it spends about 500 of those miles on track (1 track mile is approx equalt to 6 road miles).

    Horses for courses.

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    On the diesel Vectras the Ecoflex is 30k/2 years/service light - even more miles!

    My car is on Ecoflex (2.0T) I wouldn't be happy about leaving oil in for two years but as it has panned out my service light comes on at about 17k which equates to my annual mileage so my car has been serviced once a year so far. As someone has already said Ecoflex was initially designed to appeal to fleet buyers and Vauxhall have since reverted to standard time/distance servicing regime for both petrol and diesel of 20k/12 months - whichever comes first. Maybe the warranty costs for knackered engines were too high or dealers complained of servicing revenue shortfalls!

    Interestingly enough VW offers a similar thing on its new cars called Longlife servicing where you get to pick between standard time/distance or flexible. From what I've heard on the net if you buy any nearly new VW from a main dealer, the dealers always reprogramme the cars to standard because it means more servicing revenue for them.

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    Exactly .
    Does the oil need changing, or do stealers need to make more money by doing 'unnecessary' work?

    I'll leave mine to 20,000 miles, which is about 9 month intervals anyway. Mileage and time are 2 lower significance criteria for oil changes, type of driving, cold starts etc are all more important, as these put water and unburnt fuel into the oil.

    I just see the point paying for unnecessary work, that's all.

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